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Need some profesional assistance on old US coins. CONFIRMED FAKE
Kliao
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These 2 coins are being offered to me. Can anyone pitch in on if they are if they are genuine, grades, and value? Thanks a lot.
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I would like to learn on how you can tell. Could you let me know what you see?
Young Numismatist/collector
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The date placement is not one I have ever seen on the 1865...99% sure.
The 1879 looks off as far as mushiness and graininess (may be from picture). They have all sorts of weird date placements, so it is possible that it is ok, but still looks wrong on quality of production and the date. 70% sure on this one.
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I don't think the half is genuine. The lettering on the reverse of the half looks funny. The eagle looks off and the way the details are mushed is a bad sign. Do you have a genuine 1865 half to compare it against? Even some pictures should start to show the differences. In general, that sort of pewter colored silver is very common on fakes. Some genuine coins can have it also, but take a look at some other fakes in various threads on this board, particularly the 1889 CC morgans.
Can't tell on the nickel. The details are washed out by the light. The blob stars are not a good sign but I'm not familiar enough with the series to say either way without seeing the coin in hand.
The half dollar, certified, might be worth 2-3 hundred. The shield nickel is hard to say from the photos, particularly the reverse.
Buy them with a guarantee they're real and will straight-grade at your TPG.
Lance.
A few in depth articles on counterfeits by Jack Young. He is also a forum member.
https://coinweek.com/author/jack-d-young/
Use the forum’s search function to find some good reading material on counterfeits.
The font of the date on that half looks really funny. I’d steer clear.
Both of those appear to be fake.
Professional Numismatist. "It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
Like others, the date on the half jumped out at me as wrong. I wouldn't touch it as genuine at all.
As to purchasing the shield nickel.....how are these being offered to you? Stranger? Shop?
What is your recourse if you buy them and they are fake? Unless it is from a legit dealer and it is in writing as to what your recourse is, I wouldn't even think about it.
If you are being offered 1, most likely fake, coin, among another coin, then what do you think the odds of the 2nd coin being fake might be? How big is YOUR risk factor?
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
The half dollar is definitely fake.
If same person is offering the 1879 5c, it's likely fake too.
Better date shield, hard to tell from pics, but I would stay away.
The shield on the obverse of the half looks to have pieces of metal missing. Reverse shield has a strange line on it, maybe the photo. The date, especially the 8 looks to have been modified or repaired. Too many red flags. The nickel photo is too blurry.
"A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
The more I look at that half the more I think someone worked hard to make this look "aged".
"A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
Pass. If you are unable to spot counterfeits buy only coins that are already slabbed by a top TPG.
Thank you all for your input. To it sound like both are fakes. I got a bit suspicious when the person that wanted to sell them to me was willing to make a 400 mile drive just to get to me. A red flag did come up when I saw the nickel because there is no consistent wear. As for the half, I did think the date looked weird. I just wanted to confirm my suspicions. The person offered $900 for the pair.
Young Numismatist/collector
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How did you come into contact with the seller? My guess is that it was by means which should have raised a red flag, on its own.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
It was by a online ad
Young Numismatist/collector
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Good for you for being on alert and checking things out.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
The cardboard flips and staples seem authentic.
I'd bet that the seller knows they're fake. He probably bought them cheap from China.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
You didn't give the seller your address, did you?
I think that the only real items in this lot
No the only thing the seller knows is my email address
Young Numismatist/collector
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Caution is always advised regardless of age when $ is involved but as a young seller (your sig line states your age) you’ll need to be extra cautious.
Don't advertise your age. It will attract scammers who think you will be easy pickings.
Good idea thanks
Young Numismatist/collector
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After handling thousands of coins a week for decades it was inevitable you'd be able to spot that.
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