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Grade opinion on this 1895 Puerto Rico Peso

I am helping a friend sell what's left of her father's world coin collection. Any opinions on the grade of this 1985 peso would be appreciated. I know the photos are not the best. If it is uncirculated, I cannot tell if the marks in the fields are polish lines or marks on the coin.

Mark

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  • MJPHELANMJPHELAN Posts: 780 ✭✭✭

    Should have read 1895 not 1985...

    Mark
  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Reverse looks nicer than the obverse. Based on the images, I would think AU53-55 is the best it would go.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU details cleaned.

  • MJPHELANMJPHELAN Posts: 780 ✭✭✭

    Thanks!

    Mark
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,081 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The pictures create and even beg the question whether the glass is half full or empty. While the coin is obviously not original, the question then becomes whether some hairlines that look to be present and whether in general the surfaces have been impaired from a cleaning. And that is a though call and I can see that going either way. And even an in hand look will get different thoughts. Depending how this really looks in hand, it may be worth submitting. It looks to be a mid range AU Coin. Given how this type normally appears, it is a reasonable example for what it is... No bells and whistles...just a coin that would have been far better off without the enhancement.

    Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.

  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,636 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd grade it AU but I wouldn't be surprised if the services will call it MS-60. It simply looks like it might not have any true wear and just some rub.

    You don't see them this nice too often.

    Tempus fugit.
  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hmmm...to me Rub ='s Wear!

    @cladking said:
    I'd grade it AU but I wouldn't be surprised if the services will call it MS-60. It simply looks like it might not have any true wear and just some rub.

    You don't see them this nice too often.

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @amwldcoin said:
    Hmmm...to me Rub ='s Wear!

    @cladking said:
    I'd grade it AU but I wouldn't be surprised if the services will call it MS-60. It simply looks like it might not have any true wear and just some rub.

    You don't see them this nice too often.

    Unfortunately, "Rub" has not = wear for at least 30 years!

    Therefore, IMHO, the OP's coin is "Unc enough" (LOL) and it is NOT cleaned. It took me a very long time to realize that hairlines on a coin do not always indicate improper cleaning. This is the kind of coin a good dealer will talk the seller down to an AU (rub) grade and then price as an Unc. B)

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 15, 2019 8:02AM

    I'm about to test and see if PCGS has changed their opinion of Rub vrs. wear on an MS Barber Half and see if I can get it into a 58 holder. My experience with PCGS and Barber Half's in the past is you have to buy a 63 to get a clean cheek. I do not accept rub not being considered wear but on earlier coins that would have spent many years in a coin cabinet! Hope the OP sends it in...I'm judging my verdict of cleaned on the look it has in the pictures, not the hairlines/abbrassions.

    Sorry World Peeps for bringing my example of your darkside to your lightside forum! :#

    @Insider2 said:

    @amwldcoin said:
    Hmmm...to me Rub ='s Wear!

    @cladking said:
    I'd grade it AU but I wouldn't be surprised if the services will call it MS-60. It simply looks like it might not have any true wear and just some rub.

    You don't see them this nice too often.

    Unfortunately, "Rub" has not = wear for at least 30 years!

    Therefore, IMHO, the OP's coin is "Unc enough" (LOL) and it is NOT cleaned. It took me a very long time to realize that hairlines on a coin do not always indicate improper cleaning. This is the kind of coin a good dealer will talk the seller down to an AU (rub) grade and then price as an Unc. B)

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The loss of luster on the high point of a coin (rub, cabinet friction) can happen due to stacking also. This loss from compression looks completely different.

    Barber coins with "cabinet friction" (the actual AU's of the 1970's and early 1980's) are often seen in low MS slabs.

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