@CaptHenway said:
The Numismatist is better than ever....
;-)
I am a first year member, but didn't pay extra for the membership that sends a physical copy. If and when I renew next year, does anyone think it's worth it? Why or why not?
I think that’s up to whether the individual likes hard copies or not. I only read electronic magazines now.
@CaptHenway said:
The Numismatist is better than ever....
;-)
Its the best product they have and the best magazine out there in the field/hobby. Hope the politics and the president never do away with it or make any changes. Barbara Gregory is the best editor and hopefully no changes are made there too, she should remain there forever.
The Numismatist is good and I do like it a lot but I’m not sure about the best. I like the ANS Magazine a lot too.
@CaptHenway said:
The Numismatist is better than ever....
;-)
I am a first year member, but didn't pay extra for the membership that sends a physical copy. If and when I renew next year, does anyone think it's worth it? Why or why not?
I think that’s up to whether the individual likes hard copies or not. I only read electronic magazines now.
Thanks for the answer. I still love hard copies, but rarely buy or subscribe to anything- so I may.
@EagleEye said:
Col. Steve said his mission was No More Lawsuits
That’s fine, but it’s not like any of the other candidates were pro-lawsuits.
The truth is that these elections are not decided on where the candidates stand on the issues. They all pretty much stand united there. ANA elections are won based on the candidates’ reputation and experience.
... as a coin merchant, perhaps, but not as an organizational leader.
Edited to clarify the quote.
Numismatist Ordinaire See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Yes, two years with a chance to be reelected for two more. Then sit out for two years and can run again. I think that's the way FUN does it.
If a person wants to take on the job and all the crap, does a great job, and wants to continue, let him try to get reelected. The members can judge the job he did.
@Insider2 said:
Yes, two years with a chance to be reelected for two more. Then sit out for two years and can run again. I think that's the way FUN does it.
If a person wants to take on the job and all the crap, does a great job, and wants to continue, let him try to get reelected. The members can judge the job he did.
Will there be more beneficial change with 4 year terms than 2 year terms? How many people run for re-election?
And should Governors be elected with a President on a slate so they can have the same priorities going in?
I think many of us really do care about the hobby. But here is a serious question ... what has the ANA done in the past two decades that has had a meaningful impact on the hobby?
Numismatist Ordinaire See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
@Insider2 said:
Yes, two years with a chance to be reelected for two more. Then sit out for two years and can run again. I think that's the way FUN does it.
If a person wants to take on the job and all the crap, does a great job, and wants to continue, let him try to get reelected. The members can judge the job he did.
Will there be more beneficial change with 4 year terms than 2 year terms? How many people run for re-election?
And should Governors be elected with a President on a slate so they can have the same priorities going in?
No, two years at a time so a bad President gets the boot. Leave governors as is. Several times in the past, I have contacted the President I voted for BEFORE the election to get his input about who he wished to serve with him on the Board. I did not do it this time and I did not use all my votes for governors either.
A slate would cause some deserving folks to lose because they were on the wrong slate. Much of these elections is a popularity contest anyway.
I think many of us really do care about the hobby. But here is a serious question ... what has the ANA done in the past two decades that has had a meaningful impact on the hobby?
I think the ANA is relevant for those that go to Summer Seminar and the Convention. Not sure If they reach many people outside of those events.
Total waste of time, the only one who benefits are the leaders at the ANA.
I have a number of reasons why I’ve never run for the ANA Board. One of them is that I’m convinced that the personal costs of serving far exceed the personal benefits.
I agree, but isn't that something one is consciously aware of when serving on a non-profit board.
I would think so, but RealOne suggested that ANA officers benefit from their position. My point is that whatever the benefits, they seem to be outweighed by the costs.
And their unlimited benefits are as follows:
more publicity & name recognition
more ego building
more handshakes
more good ole boys backslapping drinking and binge eating
more free dinners
more perks
more acknowledgment
more ego boosting....oh did I already say that....well its true
more weight gain
more suit & tie and more stains more stature in the hobby
more name recognition
more arse licking
more kissing and hugging...wanted or unwanted
Should I start the "Less list" or is it obvious to you?
This is all my opinion of course.
@CaptHenway said:
The Numismatist is better than ever....
;-)
I am a first year member, but didn't pay extra for the membership that sends a physical copy. If and when I renew next year, does anyone think it's worth it? Why or why not?
I must confess that I am shamelessly prejudiced because I have a major article in this month's issue.
That said, there are a lot of good articles year in and year out. The weekly newspapers and monthly magazines are fading, and soon it may be the only major print venue left.
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
@CaptHenway said:
The Numismatist is better than ever....
;-)
Its the best product they have and the best magazine out there in the field/hobby. Hope the politics and the president never do away with it or make any changes. Barbara Gregory is the best editor and hopefully no changes are made there too, she should remain there forever.
Yes, but you must remember that Barb was working there when I left the ANA staff in 1984. Sooner or later she will retire to a well-deserved rest.
TD
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
For President
Col. Steven Ellsworth, Ret. | Brentwood, TN 3,206 votes
Dr. Donald H. Kagin | Tiburon, CA 2,849 votes
For Vice President
Dr. Ralph W. Ross | Sugarland, TX 3,757
Thomas J. Uram | Eighty Four, Pennsylvania 2,173
Candidates for Governor
Clifford Mishler | Iola, WI 4,479
Greg Lyon | St. Louis, MO 3,951
Mary Lynn Garrett | Lexington, KY 3,935
Paul Montgomery | Guthrie, OK 3,888
Shanna Schmidt | Oak Park, IL 3,871
Michael Ellis | Camilla, GA 3,473
Muriel Eymery | London, UK 3,133
Unelected Candidates for Governor
Robert Oberth | Marietta, GA 3,112
John W. Highfill | Broken Arrow, OK 3,063
Rick Ewing | Beaumont, TX 2,024
Congrats to all!
-----Burton ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
Sure, the ANA votes can be a popularity contest to some extent... what election for pretty much anything is not a popularity contest???
But when it comes to the many governor spots, I have to believe that I am not the only ANA member who did not know all of the candidates and actually read their bio statements and made my choices from there.
Congrats to Col. Ellsworth and all of the other winners.
The ANA is our national hobby organization. Sure, the history of the organization is not perfect, but it's the organization we have. All collectors and all of those in the coin business should be members and support the organization. When I hear some that do not support the ANA, I really question how much they really give a damn about the hobby and its future.
Will new ANA board do anything meaningful to support collectors, prosecute counterfeiters and sellers of fakes, stabilize grading of uncirculated coins, etc., etc.
When voting the ANA election, I only vote for persons that I know or am acquainted with. Being a candidate from flyover country (or who grew up in flyover country) is always good too. I don't remember the exact number of governors that I could have voted for, but I only voted for two (and then kept my fingers crossed).
@RogerB I fully understand your frustration. They are just sitting out there in Colorado Springs and eating the seed corn. Proper trustees don't dip into the principal endowment. You spend income only.
@Insider2 said:
Yes, two years with a chance to be reelected for two more. Then sit out for two years and can run again. I think that's the way FUN does it.
If a person wants to take on the job and all the crap, does a great job, and wants to continue, let him try to get reelected. The members can judge the job he did.
Will there be more beneficial change with 4 year terms than 2 year terms? How many people run for re-election?
And should Governors be elected with a President on a slate so they can have the same priorities going in?
No, two years at a time so a bad President gets the boot.
Four years gives good Presidents time to make change. As for bad Presidents, how much bad can they do compared to the good in the current system? People above had said that 2 years isn’t enough to effect change.
A slate would cause some deserving folks to lose because they were on the wrong slate. Much of these elections is a popularity contest anyway.
Perhaps, but the end result may be more effective change and governance. Having a slate may allow people to pick effective change over popularity.
@RogerB said:
Will new ANA board do anything meaningful to support collectors, prosecute counterfeiters and sellers of fakes, stabilize grading of uncirculated coins, etc., etc.
@Nysoto mentioned in another thread the need for Steve and the ANA to get involved in combatting counterfeits on eBay. I wonder if anything can be done.
@RogerB said:
Will new ANA board do anything meaningful to support collectors, prosecute counterfeiters and sellers of fakes, stabilize grading of uncirculated coins, etc., etc.
@Nysoto mentioned in another thread the need for Steve and the ANA to get involved in combatting counterfeits on eBay. I wonder if anything can be done.
Total waste of time, the only one who benefits are the leaders at the ANA.
I have a number of reasons why I’ve never run for the ANA Board. One of them is that I’m convinced that the personal costs of serving far exceed the personal benefits.
I agree, but isn't that something one is consciously aware of when serving on a non-profit board.
I would think so, but RealOne suggested that ANA officers benefit from their position. My point is that whatever the benefits, they seem to be outweighed by the costs.
And their unlimited benefits are as follows:
more publicity & name recognition
more ego building
more handshakes
more good ole boys backslapping drinking and binge eating
more free dinners
more perks
more acknowledgment
more ego boosting....oh did I already say that....well its true
more weight gain
more suit & tie and more stains more stature in the hobby
more name recognition
more arse licking
more kissing and hugging...wanted or unwanted
Should I start the "Less list" or is it obvious to you?
It's obvious:
Less time for everything else, including business and sleep.
But if you're really into name recognition, free food and "arse licking", you should consider running.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
@RogerB said:
Will new ANA board do anything meaningful to support collectors, prosecute counterfeiters and sellers of fakes, stabilize grading of uncirculated coins, etc., etc.
@Nysoto mentioned in another thread the need for Steve and the ANA to get involved in combatting counterfeits on eBay. I wonder if anything can be done.
Do they have a program to address the sale of counterfeits on eBay as mentioned? If so, I will support them. However, so far, I haven’t seen a real solution to the issue. I’m not complaining, just stating facts and observations. I think it’s a hard problem to solve.
I did see the following on their FAQ regarding eBay but it doesn’t seem like too much more than what eBay provides:
If you purchased your coin online via eBay or from a seller on another online auction site, use the site’s function for reporting the counterfeit and requesting a refund.
@RogerB said:
Will new ANA board do anything meaningful to support collectors, prosecute counterfeiters and sellers of fakes, stabilize grading of uncirculated coins, etc., etc.
@Nysoto mentioned in another thread the need for Steve and the ANA to get involved in combatting counterfeits on eBay. I wonder if anything can be done.
Do they have a program to address the sale of counterfeits on eBay as mentioned? If so, I will support them. However, so far, I haven’t seen a real solution to the issue. I’m not complaining, just stating facts and observations. I think it’s a hard problem to solve.
I did see the following on their FAQ regarding eBay but it doesn’t seem like too much more than what eBay provides:
If you purchased your coin online via eBay or from a seller on another online auction site, use the site’s function for reporting the counterfeit and requesting a refund.
I don't know that they have any special focus on policing eBay. FWIW, here's how they describe their mission.
"The task force and the foundation share the mission of educating law enforcement authorities and policy makers about the rising threat of counterfeiting, mobilizing law enforcement to attack counterfeiters where they are most vulnerable, and provide expertise and other resources in the investigation and prosecution of counterfeiters and those involved at all levels of their distribution networks. Their mission also includes creating awareness of counterfeits and educating the public about the harmful effects of counterfeits in the marketplace."
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
The second-hand "anti-counterfeiting" approach is too gentle and soft. Most of the people selling counterfeits into the US market know what they are doing. ALL of the counterfeiters, foreign and domestic, know exactly what they are doing and count on distraction of state and Federal enforcement to sell their crap. Cheating a gullible public is safe, steady business.
Under the Hobby Protection Act, ANA or any individual can bring legal action against anyone in apparent violation of the Act. It does not require genius intelligence to recognize that one ANA starts sending violation letters to sellers, importers, and domestic counterfeiters, a lot of this stuff will cease. Those who don't will be liable for forfeiture of all revenue from counterfeiting and seizure of all equipment, tools, dies, etc. used to fabricate fakes.
This is a logical - indeed, expected - role for ANA based on it's Federal Charter.
But....the board has to have the backbone to force management to get off their butts, prepare a meaningful plan, and implement it. From my business background, that's a 6-month task.....if the ANA managers get off their haunches.
@RogerB said:
The second-hand "anti-counterfeiting" approach is too gentle and soft. Most of the people selling counterfeits into the US market know what they are doing. ALL of the counterfeiters, foreign and domestic, know exactly what they are doing and count on distraction of state and Federal enforcement to sell their crap. Cheating a gullible public is safe, steady business.
Unfortunately, it seems at least some of those buying from overseas know what they are doing as well, and are buying at low prices with intent to resell in the domestic market.
Total waste of time, the only one who benefits are the leaders at the ANA.
I have a number of reasons why I’ve never run for the ANA Board. One of them is that I’m convinced that the personal costs of serving far exceed the personal benefits.
I agree, but isn't that something one is consciously aware of when serving on a non-profit board.
I would think so, but RealOne suggested that ANA officers benefit from their position. My point is that whatever the benefits, they seem to be outweighed by the costs.
And their unlimited benefits are as follows:
more publicity & name recognition
more ego building
more handshakes
more good ole boys backslapping drinking and binge eating
more free dinners
more perks
more acknowledgment
more ego boosting....oh did I already say that....well its true
more weight gain
more suit & tie and more stains more stature in the hobby
more name recognition
more arse licking
more kissing and hugging...wanted or unwanted
Should I start the "Less list" or is it obvious to you?
This is all my opinion of course.
Binge eating?
Don't you know the personal toll it takes emotionally?? At the end of a long day of personal sacrifice I'm sure leadership just wants to kick back with a bucket of Ben and Jerry's and watch their favorite rom-com.
@Realone said:
To me its like the goodoleboysclub for the well to do (I assume) politically correct schmoozing dealer that wakes up one day and says, its my turn....time to start shaking hands and smiling more.
I want the ANA to be strong and protect the collector and the coins in or not in slabs.
I want the ANA to set up the following:
crack down on counterfeiting and attack the problem.
crack down on problem dealers that rip off unsuspecting collectors and attack the problem
crackdown on grading standards and get the TPG's to be more consistent and accurate
crack down on eBay & auction houses and get them to stand behind the coins they sell and sell treat buyers & sellers fairly
Police the hobby
Promote the hobby much more aggressively and stop it from dying a slow death
Have a closer relationship with the mint in order to get the Mint to produce better coinage
Increase their ranks more aggressively
They are already doing a great job with their own mag The Numismatist and with the summer educational courses (grading)
If the ANA continues to be a Tea Party rather than a first responder this hobby will eventually fade away faster than ever, the ANA needs to the hobby to survive to guarantee their survival but they are acting like a bunch of cocky bigshots only looking for an applause rather than a mover and shaker concerned with their short and uncertain future.
They need to act now.
Here's some formatting for easier reading.
Have you thought of running for President or Governor?
@Realone said:
Your question was " have i thought for running", would love to but I would lose any and all popularity contests within minutes because I don't give a hoot about what others think, I am NOT politically correct, a lot of members hate me, and I am not all that knowledgeable in numismatic i.e. a narrow focus that is a little out of touch. IE I would lose.;)
Laura is 100% not politically correct and she was elected as a Governor!
Election by popularity is another reason I asked about people running on slates. It would allow like minded people to be elected at once, so more on issues and less on popularity.
I think increasing the Presidency to 4 years could help as well.
@CaptHenway said:
The Numismatist is better than ever....
;-)
I agree with this 100%.
In the 15 years I've been reading it is, IMHO, better than ever and it would be better still if it would lose the sophomoric gag page in the back of each issue.
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
Comments
I think that’s up to whether the individual likes hard copies or not. I only read electronic magazines now.
The Numismatist is good and I do like it a lot but I’m not sure about the best. I like the ANS Magazine a lot too.
Thanks for the answer. I still love hard copies, but rarely buy or subscribe to anything- so I may.
... as a coin merchant, perhaps, but not as an organizational leader.
Edited to clarify the quote.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Yes, two years with a chance to be reelected for two more. Then sit out for two years and can run again. I think that's the way FUN does it.
If a person wants to take on the job and all the crap, does a great job, and wants to continue, let him try to get reelected. The members can judge the job he did.
Will there be more beneficial change with 4 year terms than 2 year terms? How many people run for re-election?
And should Governors be elected with a President on a slate so they can have the same priorities going in?
I think many of us really do care about the hobby. But here is a serious question ... what has the ANA done in the past two decades that has had a meaningful impact on the hobby?
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
No, two years at a time so a bad President gets the boot. Leave governors as is. Several times in the past, I have contacted the President I voted for BEFORE the election to get his input about who he wished to serve with him on the Board. I did not do it this time and I did not use all my votes for governors either.
A slate would cause some deserving folks to lose because they were on the wrong slate. Much of these elections is a popularity contest anyway.
I think the ANA is relevant for those that go to Summer Seminar and the Convention. Not sure If they reach many people outside of those events.
ANA elections are won based on the candidates’ reputation and experience.
why not call it what it is, a Popularity Contest dictated by name recognition.
Binge eating?
I must confess that I am shamelessly prejudiced because I have a major article in this month's issue.
That said, there are a lot of good articles year in and year out. The weekly newspapers and monthly magazines are fading, and soon it may be the only major print venue left.
Yes, but you must remember that Barb was working there when I left the ANA staff in 1984. Sooner or later she will retire to a well-deserved rest.
TD
FB and reliable are incongruous
https://www.money.org/election#results
Congrats to all!
ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
Sure, the ANA votes can be a popularity contest to some extent... what election for pretty much anything is not a popularity contest???
But when it comes to the many governor spots, I have to believe that I am not the only ANA member who did not know all of the candidates and actually read their bio statements and made my choices from there.
Congrats to Col. Ellsworth and all of the other winners.
The ANA is our national hobby organization. Sure, the history of the organization is not perfect, but it's the organization we have. All collectors and all of those in the coin business should be members and support the organization. When I hear some that do not support the ANA, I really question how much they really give a damn about the hobby and its future.
Michael Kittle Rare Coins --- 1908-S Indian Head Cent Grading Set --- No. 1 1909 Mint Set --- Kittlecoins on Facebook --- Long Beach Table 448
Will new ANA board do anything meaningful to support collectors, prosecute counterfeiters and sellers of fakes, stabilize grading of uncirculated coins, etc., etc.
OK --- probably not.
When voting the ANA election, I only vote for persons that I know or am acquainted with. Being a candidate from flyover country (or who grew up in flyover country) is always good too. I don't remember the exact number of governors that I could have voted for, but I only voted for two (and then kept my fingers crossed).
@RogerB I fully understand your frustration. They are just sitting out there in Colorado Springs and eating the seed corn. Proper trustees don't dip into the principal endowment. You spend income only.
Four years gives good Presidents time to make change. As for bad Presidents, how much bad can they do compared to the good in the current system? People above had said that 2 years isn’t enough to effect change.
Perhaps, but the end result may be more effective change and governance. Having a slate may allow people to pick effective change over popularity.
@Nysoto mentioned in another thread the need for Steve and the ANA to get involved in combatting counterfeits on eBay. I wonder if anything can be done.
For anyone who cares enough about our problem with counterfeits to do more than just complain, I'd suggest a contribution to these guys: https://acefonline.org/donations/support-the-anti-counterfeiting-educational-foundation/
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
It's obvious:
Less time for everything else, including business and sleep.
But if you're really into name recognition, free food and "arse licking", you should consider running.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Do they have a program to address the sale of counterfeits on eBay as mentioned? If so, I will support them. However, so far, I haven’t seen a real solution to the issue. I’m not complaining, just stating facts and observations. I think it’s a hard problem to solve.
I did see the following on their FAQ regarding eBay but it doesn’t seem like too much more than what eBay provides:
I don't know that they have any special focus on policing eBay. FWIW, here's how they describe their mission.
"The task force and the foundation share the mission of educating law enforcement authorities and policy makers about the rising threat of counterfeiting, mobilizing law enforcement to attack counterfeiters where they are most vulnerable, and provide expertise and other resources in the investigation and prosecution of counterfeiters and those involved at all levels of their distribution networks. Their mission also includes creating awareness of counterfeits and educating the public about the harmful effects of counterfeits in the marketplace."
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
The second-hand "anti-counterfeiting" approach is too gentle and soft. Most of the people selling counterfeits into the US market know what they are doing. ALL of the counterfeiters, foreign and domestic, know exactly what they are doing and count on distraction of state and Federal enforcement to sell their crap. Cheating a gullible public is safe, steady business.
Under the Hobby Protection Act, ANA or any individual can bring legal action against anyone in apparent violation of the Act. It does not require genius intelligence to recognize that one ANA starts sending violation letters to sellers, importers, and domestic counterfeiters, a lot of this stuff will cease. Those who don't will be liable for forfeiture of all revenue from counterfeiting and seizure of all equipment, tools, dies, etc. used to fabricate fakes.
This is a logical - indeed, expected - role for ANA based on it's Federal Charter.
But....the board has to have the backbone to force management to get off their butts, prepare a meaningful plan, and implement it. From my business background, that's a 6-month task.....if the ANA managers get off their haunches.
Unfortunately, it seems at least some of those buying from overseas know what they are doing as well, and are buying at low prices with intent to resell in the domestic market.
Don't you know the personal toll it takes emotionally?? At the end of a long day of personal sacrifice I'm sure leadership just wants to kick back with a bucket of Ben and Jerry's and watch their favorite rom-com.
Dealing in Canadian and American coins and historical medals.
Here's some formatting for easier reading.
Have you thought of running for President or Governor?
Laura is 100% not politically correct and she was elected as a Governor!
Election by popularity is another reason I asked about people running on slates. It would allow like minded people to be elected at once, so more on issues and less on popularity.
I think increasing the Presidency to 4 years could help as well.
I agree with this 100%.
In the 15 years I've been reading it is, IMHO, better than ever and it would be better still if it would lose the sophomoric gag page in the back of each issue.
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso