1977-79 Sportcaster card

doubledragon · June 6, 2019 1:21AM

I have been wanting to buy a Joe Louis 1977-79 Sportcaster card for sometime. Does anyone know which ones are the rarest ones. I know there are Italian versions as well as Japan versions, but which ones are the rarest, and hardest to find?

doubledragon · June 6, 2019 8:21AM

With this scandal going on, it doesn't take long for this thread to sink to the bottom of the page! Therefore, 3,2,1, liftoff!⬆

miwlvrn · June 6, 2019 9:14AM

@doubledragon said:
I have been wanting to buy a Joe Louis 1977-79 Sportcaster card for sometime. Does anyone know which ones are the rarest ones. I know there are Italian versions as well as Japan versions, but which ones are the rarest, and hardest to find?

First, educate yourself on the drastic difference between North American-Italy, vs Italian.

There are many threads here about the relative scarcity difference between versions from various nations. Some step up exponentially and some are small gaps from each other.

In order of value and scarcity:

Dutch
Belgian
German
Italian
French
North American-Japan
Swedish
UK
Finnish
North American-Italy

Italian is a big step up from French, and not as far off from German.

So for example, for graded copies you might expect to pay retail of $15 or so for North American-Italy vs. $1,200 for Dutch.

Panama Mutiny (Formerly lawyer05) · June 6, 2019 9:15AM

@doubledragon said:
With this scandal going on, it doesn't take long for this thread to sink to the bottom of the page! Therefore, 3,2,1, liftoff!⬆

haha im having troube locating a German Sportscaster PANAMA AL BROWN , to me that is the rarest, But Larkin Collector knows a lot about these.

miwlvrn · June 6, 2019 9:17AM

@lawyer05 said:

@doubledragon said:
With this scandal going on, it doesn't take long for this thread to sink to the bottom of the page! Therefore, 3,2,1, liftoff!⬆

haha im having troube locating a German Sportscaster PANAMA AL BROWN , to me that is the rarest, But Larkin Collector knows a lot about these.

Sorry man; I sold mine to Ron back before I knew you were interested.

Panama Mutiny (Formerly lawyer05) · June 6, 2019 9:28AM

@miwlvrn said:

@lawyer05 said:

@doubledragon said:
With this scandal going on, it doesn't take long for this thread to sink to the bottom of the page! Therefore, 3,2,1, liftoff!⬆

haha im having troube locating a German Sportscaster PANAMA AL BROWN , to me that is the rarest, But Larkin Collector knows a lot about these.

Sorry man; I sold mine to Ron back before I knew you were interested.

Panama Mutiny (Formerly lawyer05) · June 6, 2019 9:33AM

@miwlvrn said:

@doubledragon said:
I have been wanting to buy a Joe Louis 1977-79 Sportcaster card for sometime. Does anyone know which ones are the rarest ones. I know there are Italian versions as well as Japan versions, but which ones are the rarest, and hardest to find?

First, educate yourself on the drastic difference between North American-Italy, vs Italian.

There are many threads here about the relative scarcity difference between versions from various nations. Some step up exponentially and some are small gaps from each other.

In order of value and scarcity:

Dutch
Belgian
German
Italian
French
North American-Japan
Swedish
UK
Finnish
North American-Italy

Italian is a big step up from French, and not as far off from German.

So for example, for graded copies you might expect to pay retail of $15 or so for North American-Italy vs. $1,200 for Dutch.

where does Japan fit ?

doubledragon · June 6, 2019 10:20AM

So I take it that a dutch version would be the holy grail of sportscaster cards? This can be a little tricky. I feel like I'm studying for an SAT. I must admit, it is fascinating stuff.

doubledragon · June 6, 2019 12:53PM

Ok, I 've done some research on this, and it looks like I am in for another White Whale hunt. This dutch Joe Louis is going to be next to impossible to find. The pop report only shows one. Thanks to everybody who responded to this thread for your help. You have helped me tremendously.

miwlvrn · June 6, 2019 3:38PM

Jeez guys, you really need to ask for these things sooner
Here again, Ron bought both of the two different Dutch Sportscaster Joe Louis cards from me before I knew anyone else was interested. Let me know about others you might be looking for. I am pretty good at tracking down rare sportscasters.

miwlvrn · June 6, 2019 3:38PM

@lawyer05 said:

@miwlvrn said:

@doubledragon said:
I have been wanting to buy a Joe Louis 1977-79 Sportcaster card for sometime. Does anyone know which ones are the rarest ones. I know there are Italian versions as well as Japan versions, but which ones are the rarest, and hardest to find?

First, educate yourself on the drastic difference between North American-Italy, vs Italian.

There are many threads here about the relative scarcity difference between versions from various nations. Some step up exponentially and some are small gaps from each other.

In order of value and scarcity:

Dutch
Belgian
German
Italian
French
North American-Japan
Swedish
UK
Finnish
North American-Italy

Italian is a big step up from French, and not as far off from German.

So for example, for graded copies you might expect to pay retail of $15 or so for North American-Italy vs. $1,200 for Dutch.

where does Japan fit ?

The Japan one is between French and Swedish on the list above.

Panama Mutiny (Formerly lawyer05) · June 18, 2019 1:14PM

are the player registries putting the A and B variety of the sportscasters ?

LarkinCollector · June 18, 2019 1:19PM

@lawyer05 said:
are the player registries putting the A and B variety of the sportscasters ?

Nope.

Panama Mutiny (Formerly lawyer05) · June 18, 2019 1:21PM

well that sucks lol

LarkinCollector · June 18, 2019 1:26PM

@lawyer05 said:
well that sucks lol

It took long enough to get UK (13-064) vs US (03-005) recognized as being different, don't expect print run to be recognized any time soon (even though there are actual variations in text on at least some).

Panama Mutiny (Formerly lawyer05) · June 18, 2019 1:30PM

@LarkinCollector said:

@lawyer05 said:
well that sucks lol

It took long enough to get UK (13-064) vs US (03-005) recognized as being different, don't expect print run to be recognized any time soon (even though there are actual variations in text on at least some).

i saw a text difference in the Carew one....did you see it ?

LarkinCollector · June 18, 2019 1:31PM

@lawyer05 said:

@LarkinCollector said:

@lawyer05 said:
well that sucks lol

It took long enough to get UK (13-064) vs US (03-005) recognized as being different, don't expect print run to be recognized any time soon (even though there are actual variations in text on at least some).

i saw a text difference in the Carew one....did you see it ?

I only collect the golfers, but have noted about a dozen variations other than just the print run code.

kcherevka · August 16, 2019 9:13PM

I just noticed that the Swedish version of the Terry Bradshaw Sportscaster was added to the master set checklist. So now I'm in search of one Anyone have any good source for these?

LarkinCollector · March 30, 2020 9:34AM

@miwlvrn said:

@lawyer05 said:

@miwlvrn said:

@doubledragon said:
I have been wanting to buy a Joe Louis 1977-79 Sportcaster card for sometime. Does anyone know which ones are the rarest ones. I know there are Italian versions as well as Japan versions, but which ones are the rarest, and hardest to find?

First, educate yourself on the drastic difference between North American-Italy, vs Italian.

There are many threads here about the relative scarcity difference between versions from various nations. Some step up exponentially and some are small gaps from each other.

In order of value and scarcity:

Dutch
Belgian
German
Italian
French
North American-Japan
Swedish
UK
Finnish
North American-Italy

Italian is a big step up from French, and not as far off from German.

So for example, for graded copies you might expect to pay retail of $15 or so for North American-Italy vs. $1,200 for Dutch.

where does Japan fit ?

The Japan one is between French and Swedish on the list above.

Is it possible the Japan releases were only available in the 'Sample Packs' of three cards? I just picked one up recently and all 3 cards were from different decks and all Japan printings. I'm not sure if these were bulked out to every household or if you had to call/mail a request to receive them.

I guess the first 7 decks could have been available as complete w/Japan variation based on the pop report, but the random deck 10 Comaneci Japan with no others from decks 8/9/10 is confusing. I'm really hoping the 47-16 Trio Grande Japan is just a Mech Error.

runcc · March 30, 2020 5:28PM

I haven't been convinced that there is actually a Dutch set and a Belgian set. The Belgian cards have been documented as
having the 0086-1030. Whenever I've seen a Dutch card for sale it has the same code. One of the official languages of Belgium is Dutch - the others are French and German. Until I hear otherwise, I think it is one set printed in Dutch. Until someone can confirm another country code, I won't believe it. FYI - I would love to be wrong on this.

runcc · March 31, 2020 7:21AM

Here are the country codes for the different sets.

USA / N.A. 03-005 - some printed in Japan; others in Italy
UK 13-064
France 16-265
Sweden 47-021
Finland one number system with no country code
Germany 17-033
Italy 833
Belgium 0086-1030

If you find an odd country code, like 993, those are promotional cards. Lots of Hank Aaron cards can be found with this code.

I have at least one card from each of these sets above. I even looked up some of the words on the Belgian cards to confirm that the language is Dutch.

The cards offered in the different sets varied. For example, there are some track runners in some of the sets that are not in the USA set. I found that out since I am collecting the track and field cards.

LarkinCollector · August 12, 2020 5:37AM

@LarkinCollector said:

@miwlvrn said:

@lawyer05 said:

@miwlvrn said:

@doubledragon said:
I have been wanting to buy a Joe Louis 1977-79 Sportcaster card for sometime. Does anyone know which ones are the rarest ones. I know there are Italian versions as well as Japan versions, but which ones are the rarest, and hardest to find?

First, educate yourself on the drastic difference between North American-Italy, vs Italian.

There are many threads here about the relative scarcity difference between versions from various nations. Some step up exponentially and some are small gaps from each other.

In order of value and scarcity:

Dutch
Belgian
German
Italian
French
North American-Japan
Swedish
UK
Finnish
North American-Italy

Italian is a big step up from French, and not as far off from German.

So for example, for graded copies you might expect to pay retail of $15 or so for North American-Italy vs. $1,200 for Dutch.

where does Japan fit ?

The Japan one is between French and Swedish on the list above.

Is it possible the Japan releases were only available in the 'Sample Packs' of three cards? I just picked one up recently and all 3 cards were from different decks and all Japan printings. I'm not sure if these were bulked out to every household or if you had to call/mail a request to receive them.

I guess the first 7 decks could have been available as complete w/Japan variation based on the pop report, but the random deck 10 Comaneci Japan with no others from decks 8/9/10 is confusing. I'm really hoping the 47-16 Trio Grande Japan is just a Mech Error.

The owner of this card confirmed it is not a Japan printing.

Panama Mutiny (Formerly lawyer05) · August 12, 2020 5:57AM

@miwlvrn said:

@lawyer05 said:

@doubledragon said:
With this scandal going on, it doesn't take long for this thread to sink to the bottom of the page! Therefore, 3,2,1, liftoff!⬆

haha im having troube locating a German Sportscaster PANAMA AL BROWN , to me that is the rarest, But Larkin Collector knows a lot about these.

Sorry man; I sold mine to Ron back before I knew you were interested.

who is Ron and give me his info

LarkinCollector · August 12, 2020 6:39AM

@lawyer05 said:

@miwlvrn said:

@lawyer05 said:

@doubledragon said:
With this scandal going on, it doesn't take long for this thread to sink to the bottom of the page! Therefore, 3,2,1, liftoff!⬆

haha im having troube locating a German Sportscaster PANAMA AL BROWN , to me that is the rarest, But Larkin Collector knows a lot about these.

Sorry man; I sold mine to Ron back before I knew you were interested.

who is Ron and give me his info

RAS is the only one with one listed on the Player Set registry and you can contact him through there, not sure what his real name is though. Otherwise, Gator may be building the set on the sly.

miwlvrn · August 12, 2020 8:43AM

@lawyer05 said:

@miwlvrn said:

@lawyer05 said:

@doubledragon said:
With this scandal going on, it doesn't take long for this thread to sink to the bottom of the page! Therefore, 3,2,1, liftoff!⬆

haha im having troube locating a German Sportscaster PANAMA AL BROWN , to me that is the rarest, But Larkin Collector knows a lot about these.

Sorry man; I sold mine to Ron back before I knew you were interested.

who is Ron and give me his info

Ron is RAS, but he won't sell it

Panama Mutiny (Formerly lawyer05) · August 12, 2020 9:03AM

                                                                                                                                                 grade - pop - higher

grade pop higher
J060000162 70-22 1976-1980 SPORTSCASTER-FRENCH "PANAMA" AL BROWN 6 2 0
G345000478 69-22 1977-1979 SPORTSCASTER "PANAMA" AL BROWN ITALY 9 1 0
NI72000057 70-22 1977-1979 SPORTSCASTER-GERMAN PANAMA AL BROWN looking - reward if found
PP23000108 70-22 1977-1980 SPORTSCASTER-UK "PANAMA" AL BROWN 6 1 0
NI73000077 70-22 1977-1982 SPORTSCASTER-SWEDISH "PANAMA" AL BROWN 7 1 0
BP29000050 1539 1979 SPORTSCASTER-FINNISH "PANAMA" AL BROWN 9 2 0

here are my panamas sportcaster

looking for the german

drrich19 · August 15, 2020 4:52AM

Today I noticed that PSA has a new feature. In the my membership section there is now a customer request center. When you go there a button called research request comes up. Click it and the description talks about how if you want to get variations recognized. Wondering if this is something that we could use to get the sportscaster variations recognized. I hate how the genenva A vs B vs Lausanne are not recognized

1977-79 Sportcaster card

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