Ouch, Ouch and OUCH!!! G.O.D. sighting!!
PROMETHIUS88
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So grades just popped on a bulk sub from late January. Actually popped in 84 business days. Also had a 64 day CC Special sub pop last night in just over 30 days. Hats off for getting the turnaround times down! While "most" of the other cards in the submission were about as expected (there are always a couple head scratchers that I end up agreeing with after I get the cards back), this lot has me reeling. Picked thru a lot of more than 700 Jordan cards. We probably all have a ton of this stuff. Difficult to sell raw even at $1-2. Most of these sell for $15-40 in PSA 10. Figured that I would only pull out the stuff that I felt had a "more than likely" shot at 10, went over them at least 3 times before sending them in. Now, my track record has been very good so either I feel like I know what to look for or have been EXTREMELY lucky in the past with this kind of stuff. Hoped for 50+ 10's, felt realistically would probably get about 40 10's. Hell, even if I only got 30....meh, whatever. (12) 10's out of 55 cards.....let me repeat that TWELVE! What surprises me even more was getting 8's and 8.5's.... a dozen of those. Looks like I either play crack and resubmit or I'm going to have a lot of contest cards to give away!!!! Maybe the graders are just plain tired of looking at Jordan cards. If that were the case, I wouldn't blame them a bit, lol!!!
Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
1 1 42692325 MINT 9 1989 Hoops 200 Michael Jordan Card
2 1 42692326 MINT 9 1989 Hoops 21 Michael Jordan All-Star Card
3 1 42692327 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Hoops 21 Michael Jordan All-Star Card
4 1 42692328 MINT 9 1990 Fleer 26 Michael Jordan Card
5 1 42692329 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1990 Fleer 26 Michael Jordan Card
6 1 42692330 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1990 Fleer 26 Michael Jordan Card
7 1 42692331 MINT 9 1991 Upper Deck 452 Michael Jordan Card
8 1 42692332 GEM MINT 10 1991 Upper Deck 452 Michael Jordan Card
9 1 42692333 MINT 9 1991 Upper Deck 452 Michael Jordan Card
10 1 42692334 MINT 9 1991 Upper Deck 44 Michael Jordan Card
11 1 42692335 MINT 9 1991 Upper Deck 44 Michael Jordan Card
12 1 42692336 MINT 9 1991 Upper Deck 44 Michael Jordan Card
13 1 42692337 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1992 Upper Deck McDonald's P5 Michael Jordan Card
14 1 42692338 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1992 Upper Deck 23 Michael Jordan Card
15 1 42692339 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1992 Upper Deck 23 Michael Jordan Card
16 1 42692340 MINT 9 1992 Upper Deck 23 Michael Jordan Card
17 1 42692341 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1992 Upper Deck 23 Michael Jordan Card
18 1 42692342 GEM MINT 10 1992 Upper Deck 23 Michael Jordan Card
19 1 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1992 Upper Deck Award Winner Hologram AW1 Michael Jordan Card
20 1 42692344 GEM MINT 10 1992 Upper Deck 67 Michael Jordan MVP Card
21 1 42692345 MINT 9 1992 Upper Deck Team MVP's TM1 Michael Jordan Card
22 1 42692346 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1993 Upper Deck 201 Michael Jordan Card
23 1 42692347 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1993 Upper Deck 204 Michael Jordan Card
24 1 42692348 MINT 9 1993 Upper Deck 166 Michael Jordan Card
25 1 42692349 MINT 9 1993 Upper Deck 438 Michael Jordan Card
26 1 42692350 GEM MINT 10 1993 Upper Deck 23 Michael Jordan Card
27 1 42692351 GEM MINT 10 1993 Upper Deck 23 Michael Jordan Card
28 1 42692352 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1993 Fleer 28 Michael Jordan Card
29 1 42692353 MINT 9 1993 Fleer 28 Michael Jordan Card
30 1 42692354 GEM MINT 10 1993 Fleer 28 Michael Jordan Card
31 1 42692355 MINT 9 1993 Fleer 28 Michael Jordan Card
32 1 42692356 GEM MINT 10 1993 Fleer 28 Michael Jordan Card
33 1 42692357 GEM MINT 10 1993 Fleer 28 Michael Jordan Card
34 1 42692358 MINT 9 1993 Fleer 28 Michael Jordan Card
35 1 42692359 MINT 9 1995 Collector's Choice 45 Michael Jordan Card
36 1 42692360 MINT 9 1995 Collector's Choice 45 Michael Jordan Card
37 1 42692361 MINT 9 1995 Collector's Choice 45 Michael Jordan Card
38 1 42692362 MINT 9 1995 Collector's Choice 45 Michael Jordan Card
39 1 42692363 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1995 Collector's Choice 45 Michael Jordan Card
40 1 42692364 MINT 9 1992 Topps 141 Michael Jordan Card
41 1 42692365 MINT 9 1992 Fleer 32 Michael Jordan Card
42 1 42692366 MINT 9 1993 Fleer 224 Michael Jordan Card
43 1 42692367 GEM MINT 10 1993 Upper Deck 193 Michael Jordan Card
44 1 42692368 GEM MINT 10 1993 Upper Deck 193 Michael Jordan Card
45 1 42692369 MINT 9 1993 Upper Deck 193 Michael Jordan Card
46 1 42692370 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1995 Topps 277 Michael Jordan Card
47 1 42692371 MINT 9 1991 Skybox 39 Michael Jordan Card
48 1 42692372 MINT 9 1991 Hoops 30 Michael Jordan Card
49 1 42692373 MINT 9 1993 Hoops 28 Michael Jordan Card
50 1 42692374 MINT 9 1992 Hoops TR1 NBA Championship M.Jordan/C.Drexler Card
51 1 42692375 MINT 9 1992 Skybox 31 Michael Jordan Card
52 1 42692376 MINT 9 1991 Skybox 534 Michael Jordan USA Card
53 1 42692377 GEM MINT 10 1991 Skybox 534 Michael Jordan USA Card
54 1 42692378 MINT 9 1991 Skybox 534 Michael Jordan USA Card
55 1 42692379 GEM MINT 10 1999 Upper Deck MVP 197 Michael Jordan Card
Comments
Ouch. With enough submissions, I think we've all experienced results like that at one time or another. I know I've got a few in my sub tracking spreadsheet labeled 'Crack and resub' for the majority of the sub (and a bunch of others that seemed harsh, but after looking more closely I agreed with the harsh assessment).
I’d be very worried submitting with 10 being the only satisfactory grade. I feel very confident differentiating between an 8 and a 9/10, but not at all between 9 and 10.
Yeah, that's why I'll be anxious to get them back to look at them. I just can't believe I would miss THAT many.
Lol, maybe a little overconfidence on my part, I don't know. I have submitted a lot of 80s'/90's basketball and baseball in the last year assuming 10's and would say I am at well over 80%.
It would be hard to crack and resubmit because even if you get mostly 10's this time(not likely) you will be near the break even point and if you get mostly 9's again you are way in the hole. I like most people have thought about sending in a bunch of Jordan cards but this is exactly why I haven't to this point.
Wow!!! End of day, sub at day 84, newer grader, rushing to complete order before going into overtime status and very reluctant to give a 10. That N6 would really irritate me knowing that you probably packed pulled it. Always heard that any Jordan had to be an 11 for a shot at 10.....
Recently purchased 5 boxes of 1990-1992 Hoops & Skybox for $15...…. think I'll let them sit.
That sub killed the 80% return rate.
I ran a group jumbo holder sub and we got poppage last night. Except for 2 nice grades, neither of which was my card, we felt like we got railed throughout the sub. Maybe it was the same grader you got.
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Can I please borrow some of your 9s? Too many 6s and 7s in my order. :-(
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Just hang around the boards, I'll be running some contests to give some away, I'm sure!
Just to clarify, I'm for sure not a high end guy. This is the rest of the bulk sub I sent in and below that is the CC Special I sent that popped so quickly. As you can tell, I submit, then sell cards for the budget-minded collector, lol! All accept for my Jell-O, most of those stay in my personal collection regardless of the grade. Cards in bold were all recently pulled from packs. Line #102 Ron Waller...that was in a PSA 8 holder that I cracked. "Play with the bull, your bound to get the horns"
56 1 42692380 GOOD 2 MK 1948 Leaf 97 Martin Marion Card
57 1 42692381 VERY GOOD 3 MK 1957 Topps Checklist 3/4 Twin Blony Card
58 1 42692382 GOOD 2 1961 Post Cereal 35 Al Kaline Perforated Card
59 1 42692383 N0: AUTHENTIC 1962 Jell-O 9 Whitey Ford Hand Cut Card
60 1 42692384 N0: AUTHENTIC 1962 Jell-O 24 Phil Regan Hand Cut Card
61 1 42692385 N0: AUTHENTIC 1962 Jell-O 39 Bubba Phillips Hand Cut Card
62 1 42692386 VERY GOOD+ 3.5 1962 Jell-O 41 Willie Kirkland Hand Cut Card
63 1 42692387 N0: AUTHENTIC 1962 Jell-O 45 Chuck Essegian Hand Cut Card
64 1 42692388 N0: AUTHENTIC 1962 Jell-O 64 Don Schwall Hand Cut Card
65 1 42692389 N0: AUTHENTIC 1962 Jell-O 71 Gene Woodling Hand Cut Card
66 1 42692390 N0: AUTHENTIC 1962 Jell-O 80 Earl Averill Hand Cut Pack
67 1 42692391 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 MK 1962 Jell-O 99 Haywood Sullivan Hand Cut Card
68 1 42692392 N0: AUTHENTIC 1962 Jell-O 103 Daryl Spencer Hand Cut Card
69 1 42692393 N0: AUTHENTIC 1962 Jell-O 105 Tommy Davis Hand Cut Card
70 1 42692394 N0: AUTHENTIC 1962 Jell-O 132 Jose Pagan Hand Cut Pack
71 1 42692395 N0: AUTHENTIC 1962 Jell-O 139 Mike McCormick Hand Cut Card
72 1 42692396 N0: AUTHENTIC 1962 Jell-O 150 Gino Cimoli Hand Cut Card
73 1 42692397 N0: AUTHENTIC 1962 Jell-O 151 Frank Thomas Hand Cut Card
74 1 N9: NOT GRADED 1962 Jell-O 159 Ken Boyer Hand Cut Card
75 1 42692399 VERY GOOD 3 1962 Jell-O 163 Lindy McDaniel Hand Cut Card
76 1 42692400 N0: AUTHENTIC 1962 Jell-O 171 Don Hoak Hand Cut Card
77 1 42692401 N0: AUTHENTIC 1962 Jell-O 174 Bob Skinner Hand Cut Card
78 1 42692402 N0: AUTHENTIC 1962 Jell-O 177 Elroy Face Hand Cut Card
79 1 42692403 N0: AUTHENTIC 1962 Jell-O 178 Bob Friend Hand Cut Card
80 1 42692404 N0: AUTHENTIC 1962 Jell-O 187 George Altman Hand Cut Card
81 1 42692405 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1962 Jell-O 190 Don Elston Hand Cut Card
82 1 42692406 EXCELLENT 5 1962 Post Cereal 2 Bobby Richardson Hand Cut Card
83 1 42692407 VERY GOOD 3 1962 Post Cereal 103 Daryl Spencer Hand Cut Card
84 1 42692408 VERY GOOD 3 MK 1962 Post Cereal 173 Roberto Clemente Hand Cut-Red Lines Card
85 1 42692409 EXCELLENT 5 1962 Post Cereal 183 Don Zimmer Hand Cut Card
86 1 42692410 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 578 Tom Griffin Card
87 1 42692411 MINT 9 1970 Topps 587 Jose Arcia Card
88 1 42692412 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 611 Norm Cash Card
89 1 42692413 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Kellogg's 15 Frank Robinson Card
90 1 42692414 NEAR MINT 7 1970 Kellogg's 5 Melvin Stottlemyre Card
91 1 42692415 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1971 Topps 513 Nolan Ryan Card
92 1 42692416 MINT 9 1974 Topps 44 Mel Stottlemyre Card
93 1 42692417 MINT 9 1974 Topps 103 Sal Bando Card
94 1 42692418 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1975 Topps 70 Mike Schmidt Card
95 1 42692419 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1978 Topps 371 Ray Burris Card
96 1 42692420 EXCELLENT 5 1988 Fleer Wax Box Hand Cut C-15 Tim Wallach Card
97 1 42692421 GEM MINT 10 1988 Fleer 378 Edgar Martinez Card
98 1 42692422 MINT 9 1991 Topps 461 Robin Ventura Card
99 1 42692423 GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Update US300 Juan Soto Batting Card
100 1 42692424 GEM MINT 10 2018 Topps Heritage 580 Ronald Acuna Jr. Card
101 1 42692425 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1955 Topps All-Amer. 100 Fats Henry Card
102 1 42692426 NEAR MINT 7 1957 Topps 82 Ron Waller Card
103 1 42692427 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 Topps 39 Rocky Bleier Card
104 1 42692428 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 Topps 49 Greg Pruitt Card
105 1 N9: NOT GRADED No Spec Info, No Grade, No Charge Card
106 1 42692430 NEAR MINT 7 1974 Topps 150 Walt Frazier Card
107 1 42692431 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1972 Topps U.S. Presidents 16 Abraham Lincoln Card
108 1 42692432 MINT 9 1972 Topps U.S. Presidents 19 Rutherford B. Hayes Card
109 1 42692433 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1962 Civil War News 9 Savages Attack Card
110 1 42692434 NEAR MINT 7 1962 Civil War News 16 Direct Hit Card
111 1 42692435 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1962 Civil War News 59 Submarine Attack Card
112 1 42692436 NEAR MINT 7 1962 Civil War News 69 Death in the Water Card
CC Special --
Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
1 1 43139927 GOOD 2 1911 T205 Gold Border Fred Beck Card
2 1 43139928 GOOD 2 1911 T205 Gold Border Lou Criger Card
3 1 43139929 GOOD 2 1911 T205 Gold Border Charlie Hemphill Card
4 1 43139930 FAIR 1.5 1911 T205 Gold Border J. Owen Wilson Card
5 1 43139931 VERY GOOD 3 MC 1933 Goudey 22 Pie Traynor Card
6 1 43139932 GOOD 2 1933 Goudey 35 Al Simmons Card
7 1 43139933 VERY GOOD 3 1933 Goudey 44 Jim Bottomley Card
8 1 43139934 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 MK 1933 Goudey 135 Woody English Card
9 1 43139935 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1933 Goudey 140 Bump Hadley Card
10 1 43139936 GOOD+ 2.5 1933 Goudey 192 Walter Brown Card
11 1 43139937 GOOD 2 1933 Goudey 215 Russell Van Atta Card
12 1 43139938 VERY GOOD 3 1933 Goudey 235 Fred Fitzsimmons Card
13 1 43139939 EXCELLENT+ 5.5 1955 Topps All-Amer. 52 John Lujack Card
14 1 43139940 EXCELLENT+ 5.5 1955 Topps All-Amer. 85 Sid Luckman Card
15 1 43139941 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1955 Topps All-Amer. 93 Willie Heston Card
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How did you feel about your club sub, Tim.
I think I remember you posting the T205s e.g.?
Mike,
I was ok with it. The Van Atta i realized had the paper loss on the back that I didn't originally see so any delusions of 5-6 went out the door early on. It will look amazing in a 2 holder, lol. I think that everything else was about spot on. After subbing some other 33 Goudey, I had an idea what to expect and these probably fall in line with those. I'll have to look at them all more closely when they hopefully get here this weekend. I knew I had a bucket of turds in that sub but It was cheap enough to get them holdered and back pretty quickly. I will probably keep a couple of the Goudey and sell the rest anyhow.
Brutal, Tim. I'd be jumping off the Walt Whitman bridge by now had it been me getting that sub back.
Andy
Eh, you win some, you lose some. If I was doing this to make a living and not just for fun, I would probably be stuck eating Raman noodles for a while but I won't lose any sleep over it. With all that has been going on in our little hobby recently, it seems many people are having the fun sucked out of what is supposed to be something we enjoy. At the end of the day they are just pieces of cardboard with pictures.
My approach is to think the worst when I do my club sub every year and then be pleasantly surprised if I get a 9 or 10.
Oh, this wasn't the CC voucher. This was the CC Monthly special for min 15 cards pre 1956 or whatever it was.
Either way Tim - they'll look great in the holders.
Agreeing with the OP, I think I had the same grader for a bunch of similar Jordan cards a few months ago. They all looked like 11's to me and they came back 9's.