1859/859 Canada Large Cent help

sjcoins

One of my newest purchases. Unfortunately it was cleaned a little. I have been digging thru Haxby numbers chart at Vickycents. I'm having no luck finding the right combination. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Sam

Namvet69

Check out coinsandcanada.com for all known varieties and errors on that coin. Peace Roy

syl

CoinsandCanada DOES NOT have all the known varieties and errors for that date. Their variety and error section is a compilation of photos that members have submitted. There is no vetting, research or validation that accompanies the photos and the submitter can give it any name that they want. They DO have some very nice photos, but don't consider the info 100% reliable.

As to the 1859, you should be able to find it in Haxby fairly easy. You can start with the CA in Canada looking to be doubled and a die crack between leaf 14-15. If you have a copy of the Charlton 65th edition (that had the Vicky variety section in the back) with the black cover, look on P 285. The coin on p285 I think has more offset on the 9 than yours, but look to be in about the same place. Unfortunately the p285 coin is married with a different Obv and that's the only way that they came so yours is not that coin. The 285 coin was an old Zoell variety (R2c) and has been known for years. The slight repunching on the 5 and 8 are quite common on many of the 100+ Rev dies that were used that year. There are probably nearly as many repunched 1859 9's as there were dies since the last digit was handpunched into each working die. The Haxby guide site is really not a variety guide .. it is a die-tracker's guide, but is a GREAT reference tool. There are well over 200 1859 valid varieties.

If you can't ID the coin from the Haxby site, post your question and photos on https://www.coincommunity.com/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=32 . There are many Haxby folks on that site who will help you. I'm not a die tracker .. I'm a variety collector/hoarder/researcher who co-wrote the above Charlton variety guide and have over 1000 1859's, so I'm fairly conversant on the topic.

YQQ

this is a very nice 59!!
I would like to know if and at what it was graded? was it cleaned or was it prof. restored?

If SYL does not know for sure, it is unlikely that many others will know.
Perhaps Bosox and Dr. Haxby might chime in?
these 3 experts , IMO, are the Canada Large cent Gurus.
(I do not have 1000s, but I do have 100s, so I know just a tiny fraction of what these 3 know)

sjcoins

Thanks for all the input. The grade PCGS gave it Unc Details and DPN9 Type 1

sjcoins

I would think Type 1 is wrong but not sure what it is

sjcoins

The cleaning looks to me the spot below the 9 and to the right of the E in one

1960NYGiants

It is Haxby # 59-482 (obv 48 / rev J7a). Reworked loop 2 and the repunched 9 are the reverse die markers. Yours is an early die state as the obverse cracks at O in Victoria, N in Canada have not formed yet.

https://www.vickycents.com/obv-o48n.html
https://www.vickycents.com/rev-j7a.html

BTW, nice looking coin.

syl

It is definitely NOT DPN9 type one, which is what they named a DP#1, which is the common name. I don't use the Haxby site, but I played around a little bit and couldn't find it either. A good close-up of what looks to be DP's on the C and A, as well as the one from leaf 14 to 15 on the Rev., as well as either the 5 or the 9 would help. The website that I provided a link to should result in 2 avid Haxby trackers to come on board. It's a nice coin.

syl

Gene ... I never saw the J7a when you go to initial ID on the haxby site. Once I called it up, it still does not look like it. The coin in question shows some underpunch below the upper loop in the gap .. a J7a doesn't show any. It's tough to tell from the PCGS photos .. maybe I'm seeing shadows. But it most definitely not a DP#1. PCGS sucks on the '59 varieties.

1960NYGiants

Definitely not a DP #1.

Bill - re examine the link for J7a and click on the photo for a close up of the date and compare with the OP's photo. Also compare the loop of leaf 2. Haxby's is a circulated example so there is some loss of detail. But is J7a.

syl

OK .. whatever you say, but to me, the 9 doesn't look like what you reference. The vine break/repair at looks OK, but that's not the only working die like that there. As you know, I'm not a Haxby guy .. I just go for the variety than the die-tracking/marriages.

sjcoins

Thanks for all the help. It is very appreciated. San