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1975 Topps Baseball Cellos....
PROMETHIUS88
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I was thinking of picking up a 75 Topps cello pack to pair with my wax pack I purchased a couple weeks ago. Went to Fritch's website and they were $225. Didn't pull the trigger then I went back the other day and they were priced at $275. Go back on tonight and they are at $300! Pretty huge jump in just a couple weeks. Is it the ripping craze or just the speculation that they will all be gone soon??
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They can probably see which items have the most views or which items get put into shopping carts and then raise the prices.
They have been doing that for years. Coupled with a very desirable product. The 72 basketball packs have gone from $185 to $250
Along with many other issues, 75 cellos have been trending upwards of late. As long as Fritsch keeps selling them for $300 a pop on eBay, they are going to keep steadily raising prices, too. $225 was a pretty low price these days.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Yeah, I'm really kicking myself for not picking up a couple. So to make sure I didn't miss out, I bought one from his website that was $300 plus ungodly shipping of like $27.95. Then realized he had them on Ebay for $300 plus free shipping and I would get $24 in Ebay bucks. So now I have two on the way!
I wonder how many they have left. 2 cases, 200 cases?
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
And I'm sure these are no stars showing prices.
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
I bought all the 1975 Topps cellos they had on ebay a few years ago for I think $169 for PSA 9s. I can't believe what they are up to now. They have been slowing releasing them probably since 1975. I can imagine what they paid back then, probably pennies a pack.
Didn't Fritsch buy all of the unsold inventory from Topps every year? If so, then yes, they probably paid a few cents each for those 25c cello packs.
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75 cellos is by far their most plentiful issue in stock as far as vintage unopened is concerned. Wish they had 75 racks, too.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
They would do that if you called them on the phone and showed interest. I would call them asking about x box and he would say one second let me check and see if I have any. Then it would be 3,000 when it was advertised as 2,500. I would always pass if he did that
Or what really bugs me is you order say 6 of something and get 3 with a note, sorry out of stock. Everyone knows they have more.
Getting back to the point of this thread. I think 1975 cellos are getting too high, too fast. I understand all of this vintage unopened goes up over time but not that fast. It will cool down again like it did a few years ago or back during the recession years. It only takes a few aggressive buyers to push up prices.
The vintage rip phenomenon has changed the game. Is it temporary? I doubt it.
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
Difference is many of the packs are now being purchased and ripped for profit. I think the issue is two-fold. Guys buying vintage packs to sell spots and rip them and then the rush of people....honestly like myself, that are trying to buy packs to keep unopened before they are all snatched up. Are there plenty of 75 cellos out there? Probably. We know there are a ton of 75 Topps mini wax packs out there as well but the prices have gone up on those as well. Maybe the prices level on product like this but I just don't see it happening on 50's and 60's stuff.
We are entering a new paradigm, fellas.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Someone in another thread said some of the 50's and 60's stuff are like "museum pieces" and I agree. Some of that stuff is so rare that it is out of reach for most collectors. It's all about supply and demand in this hobby/business. We know the demand is there but nobody truly knows how much supply is out there.
This is the discontinuity in the unopened market I previously mentioned. Those of us who collect unopened product are now competing for these items with those who buy to sell ripping slots for a profit.
Now when a vintage unopened item comes available in public auctions it’s going to take a stronger bid to have a realistic shot at landing it. Private party sales are also going to come at a higher price. Why would a collector sell an unopened item at significant discount to what they could net by sending it to a consignment auctioneer and letting the collectors and rippers fight it out via their bids?
As for the Fritsch inventory, it’s been closely held and allowed to trickle into the market just a little bit at a time for years. The new paradigm is just going to bring them more reward if they continue along the same approach.
As for the limit? It all depends on how much the TPG 9 and 10 populations grow as more previously unopened cards get submitted after the rips. If the populations stay limited then the potential value from hitting the right star card in a rip will stay high and the ripping phenomenon will keep the prices of unopened material strong. For issues where the populations of 9s and 10s do grow significantly the slabbed card values will fall resulting in reduced potential value from a rip and therefore unopened packs of those issues could slow their price growth or even retreat a bit.
The toothpaste has been squeezed out of the tube and I don’t see it getting put back in.
Dave
As far as PSA 9 and 10 populations go, cards submitted from these rips are dripping in from a leaky faucet while 4SC is flooding the room with a firehose. I don’t think anything submitted from these rips will have a significant effect on populations.
with the new found ripping vintage I can easily see 1975 packs at 500 within a year
From one waxman to another, welcome to the boards.
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eventually, this ripping vintage thing will reach a tipping point where prices get so high, breaks do not fill. there is always a ceiling.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
The question is where is that ceiling?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.