1909 V.D.B. MATTE PROOF!
cherrypickerrrrr
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What do you think my beautifully dark brown/purple/blue toned 1909 V.D.B. Matte Proof Lincoln Wheat Cent will grade?!
( Included several pics because if you know anything about these rare early Lincoln Matte proofs, they are ridiculously hard to capture the detail/true color in one picture because they are non-reflective)
( ALL diagnostics are there for all you who wish to see, though some are hard to see with this extreme dark toning!!)
I'm guessing PR65BN, although I could easily see it in a 64 or 66 depending on the grader's opinion of the eye appeal of this radical toning!)
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I think it will grade non-proof.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Not a proof.
I agree, non-proof.
This dude sure finds a bunch of matte proofs. Just give him a little time and he will find one in the coinstar slot.
@cherrypickerrrrr
What happened with the 1909 you posted in this thread?
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1008992/2-dollar-ebay-penny-is-actually-matte-proof
Lol it's obvious at this point he's trolling. He claimed his last one was being graded at PCGS but I bet his story now will be that he mis-remembered and actually sold it for a lot of cash to a dealer.
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I can't see through the plastic.
NG...Damage.
Try taking some photos without the plastic. I would like to see a better photo of the crescent die gouge to the right of the M in UNUM and the die scratches in front of the nose.
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If you think this is environmental damage and not a naturally wildly toned proof cent, you need to google some pictures of toned Matte Proof Lincoln cents......
Here's one that looks most like mine of the ones I've seen.....
Is this environmental damage too? Haha.
What ever that is to the right of the M in UNUM on the reverse it is to close to the M. Sorry no proof.
Look closely to the slabbed example....you're not looking at the right mark. There is a raised dot right next to it which you are speaking of. Toning makes its hard to pinpoint it...
Sigh
No comment until it comes back from PCGS Express service.
Collector, occasional seller
What is the PCGS cert #? The pic cuts off at “PCGS....”
Look at that unfortunate environmental damage........Not.
I think not a proof and has environmental damage. Sorry.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
You should change your posting practices.
When you find a raw coin you think is a Matte Proof, send it in to be graded before you start a thread. If the coin grades as a Matte Proof you can then start a thread, tell the story of how you found the coin, post photos of the coin raw and slabbed and then enjoy all of the replies that congratulate you on your success.
Starting a thread such as this before the coin is graded will only garner replies that are skeptical and that advise you submit the coin for grading.
You apparently did this with another coin you found that you claimed was a 1909 VDB Proof cent. Everyone is still waiting to hear the results of that coin being graded. What happened?
Posting this thread before your new coin is submitted for grading will simply result in a repeat of the prior thread.
Dejavu all over again.
Good luck when you submit the coin.
Agree with the others - from the photos it is not a matte proof coin. Rims, field to rim junction, letters to field are all wrong for a proof.
I love all the pics taken through plastic....
BTW - pls post the slabbing results of your other matte proof find on the other thread....
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
It doesn’t look like a matte proof, but never give up.
Those matte proofs are so rare that they are popping up all over.
Iwog's non proof was way nicer.
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I do hope that PCGS gives this coin the nod.
bob
looks like environmental damage to me as well. no grade
cherrypickerrrrr
Save your money its not a proof. As a suggestion why don't you look for something a little more obvious, say a 1955 double die.
I've also been wondering about your other 09 v.d.b. proof. Please fill us in on that one.
Martin
Definitely NOT a proof.
Haven't been looking for a goof.think I found one.
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1909 VDB Matte POOF Not a typo
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Oh jeez, this guy. Posting results/variety of coin/values before engaging the brain to do any actual research.
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How about we all try helping the OP a little more. Yes, he's wrong on authentication, but he's trying and is using the CPG or Flynn's book. I'd like to hear more from the OP once he has had the coin independently evaluated.
Just a thought....
U mean like the last thread he started
Yes, I am guilty of that - I keep opening these threads!
RE: "U mean like the last thread he started."
I refer only to patience. If the OP were a "Troll" he/she will enjoy any nasty or demeaning comments, and relish perceiving others disbelieving comments. They feed and grow on such things because it conveys to them a feeling of control - something missing in their lives. That is the basic psychology of such minds.
Sure get our fair share of these posts.
Toba says there is “Less reasoning when be too sure.”
"Over-confidence got the cat killed".
That seems to be true in most cases here on the forums. The OP would be wise to try a bit of humility and develop the confidence of his/her peers first. State your case, then if challenged, move on with irrefutable evidence (or admit when wrong--even more). Good luck!
Insta-Ban.
Huh, surprised this was ban-worthy.
Collector, occasional seller
Oh wait... now we'll really never know...
Collector, occasional seller
Great!
Thank you to the moderator or moderators!
show us the proof Mat
oh nevermind he switched to that neat red icon
Not a matte proof as many others have said.
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