1909 V.D.B. MATTE PROOF!

What do you think my beautifully dark brown/purple/blue toned 1909 V.D.B. Matte Proof Lincoln Wheat Cent will grade?!

( Included several pics because if you know anything about these rare early Lincoln Matte proofs, they are ridiculously hard to capture the detail/true color in one picture because they are non-reflective)

( ALL diagnostics are there for all you who wish to see, though some are hard to see with this extreme dark toning!!)

I'm guessing PR65BN, although I could easily see it in a 64 or 66 depending on the grader's opinion of the eye appeal of this radical toning!)









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  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 3,087 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:
    I think it will grade non-proof.

    I agree, non-proof.

  • mach1nemach1ne Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭✭

    Lol it's obvious at this point he's trolling. He claimed his last one was being graded at PCGS but I bet his story now will be that he mis-remembered and actually sold it for a lot of cash to a dealer.

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  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 4,523 ✭✭✭✭

    I can't see through the plastic.

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  • gripgrip Posts: 9,863 ✭✭✭✭✭

    NG...Damage.

  • robecrobec Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Try taking some photos without the plastic. I would like to see a better photo of the crescent die gouge to the right of the M in UNUM and the die scratches in front of the nose.

  • skier07skier07 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU 55

  • If you think this is environmental damage and not a naturally wildly toned proof cent, you need to google some pictures of toned Matte Proof Lincoln cents......

    Here's one that looks most like mine of the ones I've seen.....


    Is this environmental damage too? Haha.
    ;)

  • FunwithMPLFunwithMPL Posts: 302 ✭✭✭

    What ever that is to the right of the M in UNUM on the reverse it is to close to the M. Sorry no proof.

    Collector
  • @FunwithMPL said:
    What ever that is to the right of the M in UNUM on the reverse it is to close to the M. Sorry no proof.

    Look closely to the slabbed example....you're not looking at the right mark. There is a raised dot right next to it which you are speaking of. Toning makes its hard to pinpoint it...

  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 2,761 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No comment until it comes back from PCGS Express service.

    Collector, occasional seller

  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 6,955 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cherrypickerrrrr said:
    If you think this is environmental damage and not a naturally wildly toned proof cent, you need to google some pictures of toned Matte Proof Lincoln cents......

    Here's one that looks most like mine of the ones I've seen.....


    Is this environmental damage too? Haha.
    ;)

    What is the PCGS cert #? The pic cuts off at “PCGS....”

  • @Hemispherical said:

    @cherrypickerrrrr said:
    If you think this is environmental damage and not a naturally wildly toned proof cent, you need to google some pictures of toned Matte Proof Lincoln cents......

    Here's one that looks most like mine of the ones I've seen.....


    Is this environmental damage too? Haha.
    ;)

    What is the PCGS cert #? The pic cuts off at “PCGS....”


    Look at that unfortunate environmental damage........Not.

  • CommemKingCommemKing Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think not a proof and has environmental damage. Sorry.

  • robecrobec Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cherrypickerrrrr said:

    @FunwithMPL said:
    What ever that is to the right of the M in UNUM on the reverse it is to close to the M. Sorry no proof.

    Look closely to the slabbed example....you're not looking at the right mark. There is a raised dot right next to it which you are speaking of. Toning makes its hard to pinpoint it...

  • JBKJBK Posts: 5,396 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I love all the pics taken through plastic....

    BTW - pls post the slabbing results of your other matte proof find on the other thread....

  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 6,492 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

    Never take a front row seat at a Bris.
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  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 6,492 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It doesn’t look like a matte proof, but never give up.

    Never take a front row seat at a Bris.
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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Those matte proofs are so rare that they are popping up all over.

  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 8,373 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Iwog's non proof was way nicer.

  • 3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ...no more sugared soda-pop for you kiddo...brush your teeth and make sure the Xbox gets turned off before falling asleep! ;)

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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 21,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I do hope that PCGS gives this coin the nod.

    bob :)

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 19,563 ✭✭✭✭✭

    looks like environmental damage to me as well. no grade :(

  • MartinMartin Posts: 99 ✭✭✭

    cherrypickerrrrr

    Save your money its not a proof. As a suggestion why don't you look for something a little more obvious, say a 1955 double die.

    I've also been wondering about your other 09 v.d.b. proof. Please fill us in on that one.

    Martin

  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 4,896 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Definitely NOT a proof.

  • gripgrip Posts: 9,863 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Haven't been looking for a goof.think I found one.

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 4,633 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU55 details....

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 13,671 ✭✭✭✭✭

    XF details, environmental damage

  • segojasegoja Posts: 5,943 ✭✭✭✭

    1909 VDB Matte POOF Not a typo

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  • ElmerFusterpuckElmerFusterpuck Posts: 3,114 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oh jeez, this guy. Posting results/variety of coin/values before engaging the brain to do any actual research.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RogerB said:
    How about we all try helping the OP a little more. Yes, he's wrong on authentication, but he's trying and is using the CPG or Flynn's book. I'd like to hear more from the OP once he has had the coin independently evaluated.

    Just a thought....

    U mean like the last thread he started

  • JBKJBK Posts: 5,396 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Outhaul said:
    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

    Yes, I am guilty of that - I keep opening these threads! :p :D

  • ChrisRxChrisRx Posts: 5,583 ✭✭✭✭

    Sure get our fair share of these posts.

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  • AkbeezAkbeez Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭✭

    Toba says there is “Less reasoning when be too sure.”

    "Over-confidence got the cat killed".

    That seems to be true in most cases here on the forums. The OP would be wise to try a bit of humility and develop the confidence of his/her peers first. State your case, then if challenged, move on with irrefutable evidence (or admit when wrong--even more). Good luck! :)

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  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 6,950 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Insta-Ban.

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  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 2,761 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Huh, surprised this was ban-worthy.

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  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 2,761 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oh wait... now we'll really never know...

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  • goldengolden Posts: 5,609 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great!

  • BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 2,853 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you to the moderator or moderators!

  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 1,989 ✭✭✭✭

    Not a matte proof as many others have said.

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