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mt_mslamt_msla Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭

Worth First-strike designation? or no? opinions?

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mt_msla said:
    Worth First-strike designation? or no? opinions?

    On a single submission at collector prices, it is probably better to buy one already slabbed. You really can't compete with the bulk submitters unless there is a huge premium on the coin.

  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭

    If you mean the one Gluggo is talking about then maybe...with only 100k mintage it might be ok to submit if you have more than a couple. If you do get any 70's then you will be fine ....if all 69's then it gets a tad more questionable....

    Full disclosure...I did send (actually WILL send) a bunch of these sets off for grading....took the chance

  • mt_mslamt_msla Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭

    Yes I meant what @Gluggo said. It didn't appear so enhanced to me but idk. Appreciate the feedback guys!

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Personally, I was a little disappointed in the coin. I think the straight enhanced coins 2 years ago look better.

  • SweetpieSweetpie Posts: 475 ✭✭✭✭

    Personally I think the Mint/Congress missed a golden (or in this case, a CLAD) opportunity in this unique set. The RP Kennedy is unique, but why tag teamed up with a standard saucered clad Apollo clad? They could possibly issued a flatten clad version and up the mintage to 200,000 . IMO, I still could see a sell out.

  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cheap on it not being silver. That would have increased interest and maybe volume possibilities....

    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭

    Has there been any other modern clad coin with an intentional mintage limit of only 100K? ANY denomination.....

  • BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 6, 2019 10:25AM

    @mt_msla said:
    Worth First-strike designation? or no? opinions?

    Looks like mine will probably get an Early Release and a label attribution...

    @BigA said:
    Has there been any other modern clad coin with an intentional mintage limit of only 100K? ANY denomination.....

    Do BrassBucks count? The '14, '15 and '16 enhanced uncirculated dollars in the C&Cu sets, and four of the RP Prezibucks in the C&Cr are all less than 100K.

  • bluelobsterbluelobster Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭

    @7Jaguars said:
    Cheap on it not being silver. That would have increased interest and maybe volume possibilities....

    Personally, I find it more unique in clad. 100,000 is tiny mintage for any Kennedy, clad or silver.

  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭

    @BackroadJunkie said:

    @mt_msla said:
    Worth First-strike designation? or no? opinions?

    Looks like mine will probably get an Early Release and a label attribution...

    @BigA said:
    Has there been any other modern clad coin with an intentional mintage limit of only 100K? ANY denomination.....

    Do BrassBucks count? The '14, '15 and '16 enhanced uncirculated dollars in the C&Cu sets, and four of the RP Prezibucks in the C&Cr are all less than 100K.

    Thanks I forgot about those....

  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How about the SMS 1997 Nickel at 25k mintage?

    I will take a silver over a CuNi any day....

    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @7Jaguars said:
    How about the SMS 1997 Nickel at 25k mintage?

    I will take a silver over a CuNi any day....

    That's why I didn't bid on the 1913 Liberty Nickel...no silver. I mean, if it had $5 worth of silver in it, THEN I would have bid.

  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Big difference in a 1913 nickel and modern coinage.

    Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @privatecoin said:
    Big difference in a 1913 nickel and modern coinage.

    The point is that if you want silver buy bullion. Kennedy halves are clad normally. You either collect them or you don't. Nickels are made of nickel. Cents were copper, now zinc. Collect them or don't.

  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My bad, thought there are SILVER Kennedy halves made each and every year. And the commem 2014 year - those were of what composition? Gee, silver methinks.
    Oh, wait maybe you meant the NIFC copper nickel Kennedy coin. As per Privatecoin, that is really a stretch to somehow equate the Kennedy half to the 1913 nickel.
    My point was that we got ripped for the money on the metal content.

    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
  • BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @7Jaguars said:
    My point was that we got ripped for the money on the metal content.

    Did someone force you to buy the set?

    If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple, no?

  • I don't think there are that many Kennedy collectors. 1998 Matte half dollar only sold 62k, there were a lot more collectors in 1998 than now. I think most of 2019 sets are going to flippers not collectors.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,241 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 6, 2019 11:07PM

    @bigmountainlion said:
    I don't think there are that many Kennedy collectors. 1998 Matte half dollar only sold 62k, there were a lot more collectors in 1998 than now. I think most of 2019 sets are going to flippers not collectors.

    There are a lot of Kennedy collectors. You can see it in the price of individual coins from the 2017 enhanced or 2018 RP sets. Lincoln cents were the hottest, Kennedy halves second hottest. And, of course, the price for a 1998 matte finish Kennedy???

    You can't flip that for which there is no demand

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @7Jaguars said:
    My bad, thought there are SILVER Kennedy halves made each and every year. And the commem 2014 year - those were of what composition? Gee, silver methinks.
    Oh, wait maybe you meant the NIFC copper nickel Kennedy coin. As per Privatecoin, that is really a stretch to somehow equate the Kennedy half to the 1913 nickel.
    My point was that we got ripped for the money on the metal content.

    They do make silver kennedy halves each year. They also make silver quarters and dimes each year. But that is NOT the normal material. There will also be silver Kennedy halves this year. So what?

  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When i list on ebay my silver always sells before my clad. While the mintage of this Kennedy will be low, in my opinion demand for it would be higher if it were silver. Just compare the 2018 reverse Kennedy vs the 2017 enhanced. My 2018 reverse proof Kennedy's sold like hot cakes compared to the 2017 enhanced. You could argue its the finish of the coin, i say it's the content. Same as the 2014 sets. How many did they sell? And the 2014 still sells easy and for a decent surplus in price today. As for this 2019 so called enhanced reverse proof, i think the 2018 silver reverse proof finish looks better, and will likely retain better value in the long run.

    How about this perspective, would the 5oz pucks be anywhere near as popular as they have been so far if they were made in clad instead of silver.

    Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc

  • air4mdcair4mdc Posts: 906 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bigmountainlion said:
    I don't think there are that many Kennedy collectors. 1998 Matte half dollar only sold 62k, there were a lot more collectors in 1998 than now. I think most of 2019 sets are going to flippers not collectors.

    I like to collect them.......especially the thousands of 90% and 40% ers that I have have been hoarding from roll searching for years and years at face value.
    I do enjoy the making of a nice set as well.
    I also have maybe a 1000 error coins as well in halves.
    I also enjoy mint release Kennedy’s even though it is probably not the smartest return on my investment. But there is something about those halves I enjoy.
    Maybe because of JFK himself.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @privatecoin said:
    When i list on ebay my silver always sells before my clad. While the mintage of this Kennedy will be low, in my opinion demand for it would be higher if it were silver. Just compare the 2018 reverse Kennedy vs the 2017 enhanced. My 2018 reverse proof Kennedy's sold like hot cakes compared to the 2017 enhanced. You could argue its the finish of the coin, i say it's the content. Same as the 2014 sets. How many did they sell? And the 2014 still sells easy and for a decent surplus in price today. As for this 2019 so called enhanced reverse proof, i think the 2018 silver reverse proof finish looks better, and will likely retain better value in the long run.

    How about this perspective, would the 5oz pucks be anywhere near as popular as they have been so far if they were made in clad instead of silver.

    If you want to go broke, buy all the U.S. Mint silver issues every year, hold 5 years, and sell.

    There are some people who only buy the silver issues. It's true. That's also irrelevant to the number of Kennedy collectors who buy the clad issues every year to keep their set current.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @privatecoin said:

    in the long run.

    How about this perspective, would the 5oz pucks be anywhere near as popular as they have been so far if they were made in clad instead of silver.

    The clad Kennedy half set is WAY more popular than the 5 oz pucks. So, that argument sort of cuts my way not yours.

  • SoundPointSoundPoint Posts: 255 ✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @privatecoin said:

    in the long run.

    How about this perspective, would the 5oz pucks be anywhere near as popular as they have been so far if they were made in clad instead of silver.

    The clad Kennedy half set is WAY more popular than the 5 oz pucks. So, that argument sort of cuts my way not yours.

    Is the Kennedy half set WAY more popular because the Kennedy is unique? see video
    https://youtu.be/uY_MVzuMPf8?t=29

  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭

    Even with MULTIPLE fast forwards that was painful to watch...and no price given

  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,659 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I made it to the 1:27 mark, no mas.

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