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PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,888 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 25, 2019 11:04AM in Trading Cards & Memorabilia Forum

The supposed back centering requirement for a PSA 8 or 9 is 90/10. But it often seems to me that anything short of hardcore miscut gets given a pass. This card, for example, still received a PSA 8. It may or may not be miscut, but it is certainly not 90/10. It would be nice if this standard were rigorously enforced given how many sellers do not provide back scans.

My 1972 Baseball and Wacky Pack Registry Sets

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  • krisd3279krisd3279 Posts: 808 ✭✭✭✭

    Wow. Just short of actually missing content.

    Kris

    My 1971 Topps adventure - Davis Men in Black

  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 25, 2019 11:32AM

    @PaulMaul said:
    The supposed back centering requirement for a PSA 8 or 9 is 90/10. But it often seems to me that anything short of hardcore miscut gets given a pass. This card, for example, still received a PSA 8. It may or may not be miscut, but it is certainly not 90/10. It would be nice if this standard were rigorously enforced given how many sellers do not provide back scans.

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    Yep,

    I have several 97 / 3 backs in PSA 9 1978 Topps that I need to replace. That puppy you scanned is 99.99 / .01

    ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240

  • tonylagstonylags Posts: 572 ✭✭✭

    WOW; I get qualifiers {MC} when I submit those. Just curious, was that from a very large submitter?

    I have to much S**t; so if you working on sets or are a player/team collector, send me your want list, with conditions desired. Keep in mind I have a another job so please allow me a few days to respond.

  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,888 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 19, 2019 6:20AM

    I’m starting to think a back centering requirement of 90/10 for PSA 8 and 9 is almost meaningless. If it’s not actually miscut, it does not seem like the back centering ever lowers a grade.

    This is the back of an unqualified PSA 9 currently on eBay. I didn’t measure it, but I can’t see how the centering could be any worse without being miscut.

    My 1972 Baseball and Wacky Pack Registry Sets
  • GreenSneakersGreenSneakers Posts: 913 ✭✭✭✭

    Lesson: Don’t buy cards online without a back scan.

    This has been a PSA (public service announcement).

  • prgsdwprgsdw Posts: 503 ✭✭✭✭

    This is one of my pet peeves. I ask eBay sellers for back scans on items I'm interested in often. About 5-10% of the time they send or post one. I know there is a money back guarantee for many items, but I don't want to deal with that hassle.

    The response that makes my skin crawl though is when I hear "It's graded a 9 - why do you need to see the back?". You example is a good reason why (not bashing anyone here). A card has two sides - some buyers want to see both before purchase.

    Steve

    The Doomsday Collection
    Dallas Cowboys Ring of Honor | All-Time Dallas Cowboys | Bob Lilly Master | Pro Football HOF Dallas Cowboys

  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,722 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A 9 should require 75/25 on back imo. I know that's not the case but as a collector that would be my threshold tolerance. I know also some people don't care about the backs and I agree the front is far more important but after all there are two sides to every card.



    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,934 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Unless the card is something super hard to find, I don't bid unless there's a scan of the back.

    2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 23,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just wish all Ebay sellers would scan the backs of cards. The customer has a right to see the whole card. It's just ridiculous.

  • lawnmowermanlawnmowerman Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭

    As a buyer, if the pic or scan is blurry, I ask them to message me a better one. If there's no back scan, I ask for one. If there's anything I deem possibly "wrong" with the card and doesn't coincide with the grade, I ask for another scan. I don't care. It's my money.

    As a seller, I go out of my way to help the buyer be comfortable with their purchase.

    I never ask for anything from sellers that I would not do for my potential buyers.

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  • NGS428NGS428 Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @doubledragon said:
    I just wish all Ebay sellers would scan the backs of cards. The customer has a right to see the whole card. It's just ridiculous.

    Yes, we have had lots of discussion on this topic on this forum. I would like to see both and request it if I need to.

    Nic

    Guides Authored - Graded Card Scanning Guide PDF | History of the PSA Label PDF

  • Kep13Kep13 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭

    although it looks fugly, that Hovley 1972 card -- isn't it within 90-10 centering? Doesn't seem like you could fit 9 of the small borders within the large border?

  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,888 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 20, 2019 2:42PM

    @Kep13 said:
    although it looks fugly, that Hovley 1972 card -- isn't it within 90-10 centering? Doesn't seem like you could fit 9 of the small borders within the large border?

    At the worst spot (near the top) I think the L/R centering is worse than 90/10. But if it’s not, the centering requirement is pointless, as it could not look worse without being miscut.

    My 1972 Baseball and Wacky Pack Registry Sets
  • Kep13Kep13 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭

    agreed -- probably s/b 75-25 or maybe even 65-35 at worst for back centering

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