Curt Schilling gets a huge endorsement for the Hall of Fame
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IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
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Curt’s biggest problem is his mouth. I love the guy for what he did for Boston and definitely agree with some of the stuff he has said over the years but why anyone would care one way or another whathe has to say outside of baseball is beyond me.
baseball hall of fame? or computer gaming?
Gotta agree, Curt's mouth is really his achilles heel. I often wonder why "people in his position" open the pie hole and insert entire leg.
Hey Paul...great game last night. I was on the edge of my seat. Brady is money when the chips are down with a short period of time left. Gotta give props to KC, they have a great team.
Pretty nippy where I am, between Atlanta and Augusta, GA, 21 this AM...ccccold for us.
Don't freeze up there!!
Take care,
Al
With baseball if you open your mouth and say something stupid no HOF for you. If you tweeted something when you were 14-15 sensitiveity training for you. If you are Labron James in basketball and say something like that about a group of people NOTHING happens
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3 degrees here AL! Nothing good about the weather here bud but that game last night makes it ok 👍. Hope all is well with you to my friend 🍻
Well considering the ballots were
due like 3 weeks ago this endorsement is just typical
Schilling belongs in a the hall for his baseball prowess although he will never make it. He’s a nut job. Matter of fact we should try to recruit him to the sports forum. We could use another conspiracy theorist. Glicker has been slacking
LOVED to watch Curt pitch. I cringe when he opens his mouth. That’s where the sock should go
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I do not understand how anyone in their right mind can objectively vote for Roy Halladay and Mike Mussina, and NOT vote for Curt Schilling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steve
----------WARNING, Political Rant Ahead!----------
Deleted, as it was not appropriate here.
I apologize to all of you.
Steve
I will retort
BS
End of rant
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
As if the HOF isn't a complete joke already, Curt's current exclusion while "highly likely" PED users are being seriously considered is insane. If Clemens or Bonds gets elected before him, I'll puke.
I agree
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Sad but true. Its ok to be stupid if you are on the left.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
One of the nice things about a SPORTS message board is we can NOT talk about politics - left or right. We don't need political rants here in my opinion. Just a thought.
If Musina is in then Schilling should be in.
It is because they are not objectively voting. and you are correct, Schilling deserves to be in
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
This is true. as tempting as it may be to make political commentary, it is a quick way to poof a thread and get yourself the ban hammer.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Musina should not be in . Pettitte should have gone in over him.
Yep. This endorsement oughta push Schilling over the 75% mark next year.
Paul...my brother, as you may recall, lives up in Loudon, NH...claims the wind chill one day was 43 below. I think this is a stretch, but he does have his own airport there and I suspect with the acreage that is treeless, for obvious reasons, the wind probably got up a good head of steam, whipping down all that open space. His airport does face kinda NE-SW, so maybe in his little slice of NH, it might have been 43 below. I feel for the critters that have to endure all that and still scrounge for food.
The weird people in my retirement community had their annual Polar Plunge yesterday. Very lucky for them that the temp actually bumped 70, but the flag was just about parallel to the ground and I'm sure the outdoor pool water was in the 50s at best. Nonetheless, for some reason, about a dozen of so decided to jump in...and got out real fast! I would think at our age, that is a pretty good shock to the ticker...they had a firetruck outside waiting to rescue the idiot plungers.
Looking forward to a nice Pats win in 10 days. Stay warm and well my friend. I still have vivid memories of walking to school in all that Krap, not to mention shoveling those pretty white things.
You are correct, in that Curt Schilling never made any political comments until well after his playing days were over, and he was out of baseball. Yes, he made some of his comments while he was employed by ESPN, but they were on his off-duty time, from his personal facebook/twitter/whatever, and totally unconnected from his time in the major leagues. They have absolutely no bearing whatsoever in whether or not he belongs in the Baseball Hall of Fame.
All the writers (voters) who are holding his comments of the last couple of years against him, and not voting for him, are just showing their childishness, sanctimony and complete lack of objectivity.
Steve
Pettite with his career 3.85 ERA and 10 seasons of 3.99 or higher? I'm not sold on Mussina but he was better than Pettitte.
Here is a statistic that I have found very interesting:
Every pitcher who is eligible for the Hall of Fame, and who won at least 100 more games in his career, than he lost, is in the Hall of Fame.
Andy Pettitte's lifetime W-L record is 256-153, meaning he and Roger Clemens are the only two eligible pitchers who are not in the Hall.
R. L. Caruthers' lifetime record is 218-99, but he only pitched nine seasons, therefore, he's not eligible since there is a ten year minimum for Hall of Fame eligibility.
Steve
Here's the list of all the pitchers who won at least 100 more games than they lost (Mike Mussina's also on it):
Grover Alexander
Mordecai Brown
R. L. Caruthers
John Clarkson
Roger Clemens
Bob Feller
Whitey Ford
Tom Glavine
Lefty Grove
Randy Johnson
Walter Johnson
Tim Keefe
Greg Maddux
Juan Marichal
Pedro Martinez
Christy Mathewson
Joe McGinnity
Mike Mussina
Kid Nichols
Jim Palmer
Andy Pettitte
Eddie Plank
Hoss Radbourn
Tom Seaver
Warren Spahn
Al Spalding
Cy Young
Steve
playoffs mean more , which is the only reason schilling sould get in also
Good stuff. Never knew that. Thanks!
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Career 3.81 ERA in the playoffs. 0 complete games. 1.305 WHIP. All three stats worse than Greg Maddux (3.27, 2 CG, 1.242 WHIP) who is usually derided as underperforming in the playoffs.
Don't put Pettite anywhere near Schilling as a playoff performer. Schilling - 2.23 ERA, 4 CG, 2 shutouts, 0.968 WHIP.
Pettite was a non-exceptional performer in the regular season and a non-exceptional performer in the postseason. He just happened to play on a really, really good team.
Mussina is a nobody though , at least Pettitte was a guy that made you nervous to play against in the playoffs.
Neither one is curt schilling but lets be honest if it wasn't for his playoff pitching nobody cares about Schilling either.
People could actually vote for Kevin Youklis . I'm not saying even these BBWA idiots would vote that guy in but how is he even there to be voted for? What deranged process allows that?
Well how could Placido Polanco actually get two votes this year??????????
Just thinking out loud here, but I guess the days of the 300 win pitcher have long gone. Managing innings of starters, bullpen specialists and many other factors are contributing to starters getting consistently fewer wins every year. Is there a new threshold for starts to be considered? Is it 200 wins? Win %?
My suggestion is that the people who vote educate themselves about what it is that makes pitchers great (hint: wins and win% don't enter into it) and vote for the greatest pitchers. To dream, the impossible dream....
that really is a dream. Maybe we should let the people in this thread vote.....we have a better chance of getting it right. LOL
If every poster in this thread votes this instant how many votes does Placido Domingo get?
less than he got from the sportswriters
I just noticed I wrote placido domingo
I guess autocorrect never heard of the other guy. Its now offering placido poblano , 
I just thought you were an opera fan. LOL
I just assumed he was being funny
My proposal is something like this:
If you vote for a guy who gets less than... 1%? 2%? or fail to vote for a guy who gets 95% of the vote, you lose your vote. Get rid of the guys voting for joke candidates (Jim DeShaies) because the guy was nice to them during their career and also the (before this year) guys saying no one deserves 100%.
Easier said than done. These same guys have been doing this for years and years. I think they just keep getting replaced by their clones.
what happens when the last worthless newspaper goes tits up? no voters? do guys in their 90's that retired decades earlier get to vote?
I don't get the importance of BBWA members , I don't get the fact that there is a 4 letter acronym for these tired old hacks , who cared enough about them in the first place?
Is the BBWA an actual union?
Yeah they should let us take over the process
M
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
It has bugged me for years, that just by being a member of the BBWAA for at least 10 years, you get to vote for admittance to the BB HOF; while men like Jack Buck, Ernie Harwell and Vin Scully don't get to vote, simply because they're not "writers".
Steve
One of the things he got in trouble for was for retweeting; “Only 5-10% of Muslims are extremists. In 1940, only 7% of Germans were Nazis. How’d that go?”
If these percentages are correct, what's the problem with that?
As a student of WWI and WWll, I think that is a fair question.
As an old person, it saddens me that this country no longer tolerates peoples rights to their opinions. Being fired over a message on a social media site (like a couple of Curt's) seems wrong.
I like to know where people stand. Now, we are supposed to say only politically correct "speak" or we are shunned and/or fired from our jobs?
Looks to me like Schilling has the numbers to be in the HOF. I would vote for him.
I don't really care if he is a liberal or a conservative and don't see how that is relevant.
friggin wingnut Shaunessy from the globe actually said he refused to vote for Schilling because Curt called out other players for using PED's . Players that everyone thinks were using PED's mind you, some that admitted it.
That is insane .
I second the motion. All in favor?????
This is really whats sad about Hall of Fame's. The people who have a vote, can vote yes or no for any reason they want to. With no recourse. I know of a high school sports Hall of fame that is keeping a well deserving candidate out because most of the athletic council...(the people who make up the voters) don't like the sport that the athlete played. The guy was one of the best athletes in the schools history who rewrote the school record book. But none of the voters has any ties to the sport that he played. He even claims he has an email from the Athletic director stating he is being discriminated against, because of the sport that he participated in.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Deadwood . These people are like politicians all full of ideas early on then once they get in pathetic and useless. Clinging to scraps of power or notoriety attempting to put themselves on the same plane as the players.
Having done nothing , achieved nothing they are somehow granted oversight over actual doers .
Because I watch game on TV I know as much as player of 20 seasons ummmm no
It is still several months till the BBWAA meet to vote for the 2021 HOF class, but I could not help think about it now.
Some of the arguments discussed above are interesting and I see most agree that Curt Schilling is a HOFer. There is no need to compare him to Pettite or Mussina, as he stands on his own merits. He had 11 seasons of being top 10 in WAR for Pitchers, and 10 seasons where he was top 10 in ERA+. Those are important metrics. He is also in a small crowd regarding his lifetime SO totals, a traditional stat. He does not have 300 wins or a CY Award, but came close in the latter multiple times. He does have World Series accolades, though.
His numbers really do speak for themselves. The reason he is not in the HOF already has to do with his mouth as most here agree with, I am sure. Schilling got 70% support last time. How could he not get it this time? Last round saw Jeter and Walker get in. There really is no one new that is a strong HOF candidate coming up for the ballot. It is just Schilling and the holdovers. I can't imagine Bonds or Clemens surpassing Schilling. Whatever reservations the BBWAA have against Schilling, they certainly have them against Bonds and Clemens, too, and possibly even more so.
The BBWAA made their point in keeping Schilling in limbo, but now that he is sitting on 70%, they can no longer keep him out. That is just too close for him not to overcome. Players like Richie Allen, Albert Belle, Dave Parker, and Gary Sheffield have also been kept out of the HOF for similar unfiltered verbal activity (or at least have not gotten the support they could have). As much as I like to see KBrown and DCone in the HOF someday, I think Schilling should get the nod first.
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Thank you, Steve, for sharing this observation. It really puts a new light on Pettite's career!
I bring this thread up because HOF voting for 2022 is coming up in a few months. Schilling would be in his 10th year on the ballot, but he has stated to be left off of it. I know there are politics involved in the voting process, but can you really keep Schilling out at this point? He got 70% in 2020, 71.1% in 2021, and for 2022?
His request to be left off may be honored, so then 2022 will just be a non-issue for him. However, would the reincarnated version of the Veterans Committee put him in at first chance?
I am well aware of his public comments being inappropriate. The question is how much should that factor in? If it can be argued that his comments incited violence of some kind, perhaps that is a case to look into. I am not a big Schilling fan, I just look at him in relation to other pitchers during his playing years and see that he does belong, in my humble opinion. With his high percentages of the vote in back to back years, I just find it inevitable that he would get in finally.
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