How was this fake made yes beaver involved

jabbajabba Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭

I collect beavers as some of you know. I found this fake of the 1849 $10 Oregon Exchange Company. I call it a fake because it doesn’t have copy on the coin but I bought it as a token and it’s not gold. Was this cast?



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  • fcfc Posts: 12,666 ✭✭✭
    edited January 12, 2019 9:09AM

    Just a guess here. I am not an expert.

    Based on the line going around the edge and the notch of gold sticking out on one part of the edge it looks like it was a poured cast... and the person used a real coin to make the molds which they put together. It was then plated with gold or a gold like metal.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 26,008 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A poured cast replica, to be sure, but they did not use a genuine coin to make the mold.

    As they say in the wallpaper trade, "How's it hanging?"
  • fcfc Posts: 12,666 ✭✭✭

    Thank you for the correction on the real coin. I assumed they took a coin and pressed it into some mold making material.

    Are you saying they used stamps and some carving perhaps?

  • jabbajabba Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭

    The reverse on the real coins are extremely weak and this copy is not that’s why he’s saying it was not made with a real coin

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 3,471 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    A poured cast replica, to be sure, but they did not use a genuine coin to make the mold.

    Do tell, Tom. Is it that far off?

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
  • Josh32Josh32 Posts: 93 ✭✭✭

    Looks like a replica. Has the casting lines and porous surface.

  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 17,562 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I actually like it very much. I’ve been following you beaver collection, it’s coming along nicely.
    I think it is a spark-erosion copy. I have a 1853 copper $20 that looks very similar.
    I’ll look for pics and post soon.

  • jabbajabba Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭

    @coinsarefun said:
    I actually like it very much. I’ve been following you beaver collection, it’s coming along nicely.
    I think it is a spark-erosion copy. I have a 1853 copper $20 that looks very similar.
    I’ll look for pics and post soon.

    Thanks!
    I would very much like to see it

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 26,008 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BuffaloIronTail said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    A poured cast replica, to be sure, but they did not use a genuine coin to make the mold.

    Do tell, Tom. Is it that far off?

    Pete

    This generation of replicas were made in the 1950's and probably the early 60's. Somebody hand cut the molds in a soft medium using engraving tools and sets of letter and number punches, and may have then used the molds directly or copied them using a plaster impression (think of a hub) that could then be used to make multiple molds.

    Based upon the designs copied they were looking at the pictures in the Redbook. That's why you see replicas of the Blake & Co. $20, which was in there for a while.

    Who ever did the copying made a few mistakes, like the "CINCINNATI MINING AND TRACING CO." piece that should have said "TRADING."

    They were not made to defraud, but they caused so much trouble that they helped inspire the Hobby Protection Act in 1973.

    As they say in the wallpaper trade, "How's it hanging?"
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