1983 Fleer - Marlboro Cards

59Horsehide

I just noticed these two cards, like the Randy Johnson 1989 Fleer - #381 card, have a "Marlboro" cigarette sign in the background. Not aware of any "changes" to these cards. Did the R. Johnson varieties only occur because it is his RC? Interested in learning more about why Fleer corrected the '89 card but, as far as I know, did nothing to the '83 cards. How many other brands of cards have similar billboards in the background?

ahopkins

Those are 1983.

LarkinCollector

I would say between 83 & 89 smoking became a lot more stigmatized and since they were already fixing the Ripken FF ...

tulsaboy

Are there cards that show ballplayers actually smoking?
kevin

lahmejoon

If anyone would have a card with a cigarette in his mouth, Earl Weaver would have to be at the top of the list.

59Horsehide

@ahopkins said:
Those are 1983.

My mistake. Thanks for the catch. I edited my original post.

ahopkins

@tulsaboy said:
Are there cards that show ballplayers actually smoking?

This is a good question. I don't think I've ever seen one, but I have seen many photos of players smoking during a game. And plenty of chaw, of course.

JKT

flcardtrader

I don't remember any cards with smoking depicted.....this SI cover came to mind though.

craig44

Didn't Keith Hernandez light up on occasion in the dugout?

saucywombat

1983 Fleer were redeemable with Joe Camel bucks.

miwlvrn

@lahmejoon said:
If anyone would have a card with a cigarette in his mouth, Earl Weaver would have to be at the top of the list.

Jim Leyland says Weaver can wait his turn somewhere lower than the top.

miwlvrn

@ahopkins said:

@tulsaboy said:

And plenty of chaw, of course.

Makes me wonder, if they had a competition for that (similar to the infamous 1976 Topps Kurt Bevacqua bubble gum card) then who would have the more comically ridiculous cheek, Nellie Fox or Mickey Tettleton? There are a lot of contenders among the printed cards of those two players.

WdorAnozira

@craig44 said:
Didn't Keith Hernandez light up on occasion in the dugout?

Just the cocaine he free based.

WdorAnozira

@miwlvrn said:

@ahopkins said:

@tulsaboy said:

And plenty of chaw, of course.

Makes me wonder, if they had a competition for that (similar to the infamous 1976 Topps Kurt Bevacqua bubble gum card) then who would have the more comically ridiculous cheek, Nellie Fox or Mickey Tettleton? There are a lot of contenders among the printed cards of those two players.

Don't forget Lenny Dykstra.

ahopkins

Sorting out some freshly opened '84 Fleer tonight and noticed Vuckovich carries the Marlboro sign on his card.

1966CUDA

Here is a SECOND Randy Johnson Marlboro appearance.

countdouglas

@1966CUDA said:
Here is a SECOND Randy Johnson Marlboro appearance.

Looks like he's wearing someone else's jersey (if that's even possible that another jersey would fit, length-wise) as the nameplate sure doesn't appear to be Johnson.

ahopkins

Wow, just looked up the Jacksonville Suns. Nolan Ryan, Tom Seaver, Clayton Kershaw, and Randy Johnson all pitched for them.

junkwaxgems

@LarkinCollector said:
I would say between 83 & 89 smoking became a lot more stigmatized and since they were already fixing the Ripken FF ...

They had already gone through all of the Randy Johnson correction attempts before the Ripken was corrected. Black out/final version can be found in boxes that still have the Ripken FF.

Ironmanfan

@countdouglas said:

@1966CUDA said:
Here is a SECOND Randy Johnson Marlboro appearance.

Looks like he's wearing someone else's jersey (if that's even possible that another jersey would fit, length-wise) as the nameplate sure doesn't appear to be Johnson.

@countdouglas said:

@1966CUDA said:
Here is a SECOND Randy Johnson Marlboro appearance.

Looks like he's wearing someone else's jersey (if that's even possible that another jersey would fit, length-wise) as the nameplate sure doesn't appear to be Johnson.

@countdouglas said:

@1966CUDA said:
Here is a SECOND Randy Johnson Marlboro appearance.

Looks like he's wearing someone else's jersey (if that's even possible that another jersey would fit, length-wise) as the nameplate sure doesn't appear to be Johnson.

It’s possible that the NOB is the team nickname “Suns” (not unusual in the lower minors during that time frame).

IMF