Does anyone know if PCGS will certify porcelain notgeld?

lordmarcovan

I kind of doubt it (maybe too thick, for one thing), but am curious about that.

jdmern

I am not sure about porcelain, but they have certified a coal dust issue...

They seem to be willing to certify any of the pieces listed in Funke or Lamb, but only some of the pieces listed in Menzel. For instance, they have certified Strassenbahn pieces for me, but not P.O.W. camp issues...

Namvet69

But they did do Ronald's tokens.

Swampboy

@Namvet69 said:
But they did do Ronald's tokens.

There's a porcelain joke in there somewhere but I'll pass.

ttt

Rexford

I've always wondered about this. I've never seen one in a holder, but they often seem to be in really good condition so it would be a shame not to see them graded.

neildrobertson

Looking at the population report, I can't find any porcelain notgeld that's been graded. They appear to be throwing the notgeld in the 'German States' categories, which is sort of appropriate. They seem to be labeling them by Jaeger numbers when there is one and by Funck numbers otherwise. It's not clear where they've drawn the lines for what they've graded. You likely will just have to ask them.

https://www.pcgs.com/pop/germancoins

Oldhoopster

I’m not sure if slabbing porcelain notgeld is worth it. I have a 75-100 different porcelain “coins” (with city and denomination) and medals from the Weimar era and none of their values warrants slabbing.

In addition, what criteria will the PCGS use to grade them? Very few ever circulated. In addition, most of these pieces were made by dry pressing ceramic powder or pressing material with a “Play-doh” consistency (A small number were also made by slip casting). Then the piece shrinks during firing, so the usual luster, bag marks, etc is not applicable. I also have a few pieces that show pressing or firing defects, so how would those be accounted for?

I wouldn’t worry too much about handling. The Meissen red and white pieces (with the crossed swords makers mark) are actually pretty strong. Some of the glazed pieces from places like Hohr may be slightly more delicate, but if you handle them with the same care you would handle a coin to prevent edge dings and rim bruises, there shouldn’t be a problem. I use Mylar 2x2’s to store them.

lordmarcovan

@Oldhoopster said:
I’m not sure if slabbing porcelain notgeld is worth it. I have a 75-100 different porcelain “coins” (with city and denomination) and medals from the Weimar era and none of their values warrants slabbing.

In addition, what criteria will the PCGS use to grade them? Very few ever circulated. In addition, most of these pieces were made by dry pressing ceramic powder or pressing material with a “Play-doh” consistency (A small number were also made by slip casting). Then the piece shrinks during firing, so the usual luster, bag marks, etc is not applicable. I also have a few pieces that show pressing or firing defects, so how would those be accounted for?

I wouldn’t worry too much about handling. The Meissen red and white pieces (with the crossed swords makers mark) are actually pretty strong. Some of the glazed pieces from places like Hohr may be slightly more delicate, but if you handle them with the same care you would handle a coin to prevent edge dings and rim bruises, there shouldn’t be a problem. I use Mylar 2x2’s to store them.

Makes sense. I can see how regular grading standards wouldn't apply. I just thought it might be fun to add one to my Eclectic Box collection. I'm pretty sure they have certified some of those 1942 experimental US glass cents and other nonmetallic pattern coins, so that made me wonder about porcelain.

lordmarcovan

So, hey, check it out. I just stumbled across this, on eBay, which pretty much answers my question.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Porcelain-Weimar-Germany-1921-50-Pf-PCGS-MS64-Horh-Colbenz-Notgeld-Coin/153995310882?hash=item23dad5f722:g:vQkAAOSwVJJfAZZu

https://www.pcgs.com/cert/38958443

jdmern

In the last year, it seems they have been certifying more different types of Notgeld than they have in the past

brg5658

It didn’t answer your question at the time you asked it.

A dealer has sold a few of these on eBay in the past 9 months or so. I do not believe PCGS was slabbing porcelain at the time you asked your original question 2+ years ago.

lordmarcovan

@brg5658 said:
It didn’t answer your question at the time you asked it.

A dealer has sold a few of these on eBay in the past 9 months or so. I do not believe PCGS was slabbing porcelain at the time you asked your original question 2+ years ago.

Wow, has it really been two years? Tempus fugit!