Micro-Numismatics Quiz #9 ANSWERED

Insider2

Sorry, no prizes

I am going to be posting micrographs of anything that can be found on coins. Some will be easy and some will not. The correct answer is whatever I say it is but feel free to disagree (giving your reason) so all of us can discuss it. Images will be posted in this thread at my discretion - several each week. I will usually post the answers late the next day after the quiz was posted.

In order to make this FUN for beginners. I'll ask the "experts" to PLEASE not guess what any of the images are until the next day. Otherwise, folks like (fill in the blank) will get all of them immediately - That's NO FUN. If no correct answer is given by the next day, the "experts" should PLEASE respond. The answer for each image will usually be posted in the afternoon when I add another image.

The Rules:

1.Anyone can guess. That's because even an incorrect guess can open further discussion as to why it is incorrect.
2.The BEST guess is in two parts:

A. What characteristic the image shows.
B. What did you see in the image that lead to your guess.

The Question: How would you describe the surface of this coin? Is its color uniform? What does that indicate? There is a name for coins as this.

The Image:

AUandAG

reworked tired die?

bob

Swampboy

Buck shot

sellitstore

Cast?

Insider2

All the marks that look raised on the coin are "impact damage" - fancy word for "hits." Their is a specific cause for these.

Aspie_Rocco

That area looks cleaned or polished.
Some speculation:
Are those heat bubbles?
Ex jewelry?
Looks like a $2.50 gold.
Cast bubbles?
I would pass on this, and in my amateur opinion it would get a details grade IF genuine.

kaz

The light seems to be coming from the south, so the rounded marks would be raised. I would think "hits" would be incuse?? Unless, the hits are to the die. I'm confused.

Paradisefound

Let me start using my head

IMO it is a bag dinged coin because I see a lot of dings

Soldi

Trails

PerryHall

Are those marks from on the original planchett when it went through the tumbling process that remained after the coin was struck? Just a WAG on my part.

Aspie_Rocco

Could it be plating bubbling like on Zincolns? Would someone plate a gold coin? To hide surface flaws?

Akbeez

It's aqua!!

coin4sale

Copy, artificially circulated /manipulated to hide the tell marks?

Smudge

Plated counterfeit? One of your teaching examples.

Coinscratch

I would describe it as rough and complicated as my ex-wife was and probably still is and, it looks very similar to a previous test except a whole lot more of it. Yes, the color is uniform and like her I think it was hit too many times. wink wink...
Now, class clown sits down quietly

Hemispherical

The Question: How would you describe the surface of this coin? Is its color uniform? What does that indicate? There is a name for coins as this.

——-WAG Start 😐

The surface was tooled.

The color is not uniform. Darker color all around EPU.

Indicates an attempt to remove “impact marks” generated from the source coin when making the counterfeit die.

Name is counterfeit by transfer die.

——-WAG End 😶

Edit to fix wag.

Insider2

@kaz said: "The light seems to be coming from the south, so the rounded marks would be raised. I would think "hits" would be incuse?? Unless, the hits are to the die. I'm confused."

That's why I posted that the marks were "into" the coin. Multiple hits.

Answer soon...Calling in the "experts." Thanks for not answering before now so others could think this out.!

Clue: The coin is genuine.
Clue: The excessive marks are "hits" from something.
Clue: What would cause a two-tone surface and where is it located?

asheland

Puttied to hide the bag marks? (The hazy part)

Akbeez

Hits are from normal wear from circulation. Two tones are wear surfaces (fields) and original luster in the incused devices.

messydesk

It seems that the area was polished at one time, and the the coin was "penny bagged" to hide it.

Insider2

Do you all:

A. Want the answer now.
B. Want more hints.

Big Clue: You will slap your forehead on this one but once I reveal the answerer you will pick these out every time.

BuffaloIronTail

Whizzed. Build up around the letters.

Pete

messydesk

Could also be ex-jewelry, having banged into other jewelry a bunch, but the edge doesn't look damaged.

jtlee321

My guess on this one is it's struck through debris/grease. The fields of this die are the deepest areas, the reverse of normal dies. The large area causes the grease/debris to spread out and form small globules during the striking.

Insider2

@messydesk said:
Could also be ex-jewelry, having banged into other jewelry a bunch, but the edge doesn't look damaged.

Jewelry Damage. Not all coins are mounted by their edge. This is what a coin removed from a bezel often looks like. The ring around the coin protects the rim's surface from contact with other coins on the charm bracelet.

PS The darker color, away from the rim is due to polishing.

Hemispherical

@Insider2 said:

@messydesk said:
Could also be ex-jewelry, having banged into other jewelry a bunch, but the edge doesn't look damaged.

Jewelry Damage. Not all coins are mounted by their edge. This is what a coin removed from a bezel often looks like. The ring around the coin protects the rim's surface from contact with other coins on the charm bracelet.

PS The darker color, away from the rim is due to polishing.

Ahh, I can actually picture this in my mind! Good to know what this looks like up close.

Aspie_Rocco

I really enjoy these threads. Thank you for doing this!

PerryHall

@Aspie_Rocco said:
I really enjoy these threads. Thank you for doing this!

Totally agree. I feel like I'm getting a real education. Thanks for taking the time and keep them coming.

kaz

Thanks, very informative. Even knowing the hits are into the surface, my brain still "sees" them as raised bumps!

Insider2

@PerryHall said: "I feel like I'm getting a real education. Thanks for taking the time and keep them coming."

LOL, Keep getting the answers right away and I'm going to ask you to hold off to the next day.

@kaz said: "Thanks, very informative. Even knowing the hits are into the surface, my brain still "sees" them as raised bumps!"

So do most of us. My bad image, and that's why I added they were "into" the coin.

PerryHall

I see an optical illusion where the incused part of the letters appear to be raised. Anyone else?

asheland

@PerryHall said:
I see an optical illusion where the incused part of the letters appear to be raised. Anyone else?

Not on this one, but occasionally I see that on other pictures. Then it will appear normal and I cannot see it the way I initially saw it. Very weird, I assume it's something to do with how the brain processes what you are seeing.

Hemispherical

Optically I still cannot see the hits as hits but bumps.

Insider2

@Hemispherical said:
Optically I still cannot see the hits as hits but bumps.

Pretend. Then you'll get something out of this quiz. Each time I open this thread, I don't know if I'll see hits or bumps. Sometimes I close my eyes and it fixes things.

Hemispherical

I am definitely learning! Thanks @Insider2

Akbeez

I still see water droplets!

Very informative, thanks Insider2 --