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Sacagawea 2000 P Dollar Weight

RonstatsRonstats Posts: 16 ✭
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Hello members, it was suggested I move a discussion and question from another thread, thus I start a new thread and provide images (that could be better I know) but I hope it will trigger a further response, because something isn't quite right with two of my three Sacagawea 2000 P Dollar coins. I have two that weigh 7.9 grams those showing gold colour and one that weighs 8.1 grams a dull green/brown colour. I initially thought the dull coin shown on it's own was a trial piece and weighing 8.1g mainly due to the colour. In an attempt to determine what I had, I purchased two more coins, each from a different source as per the other image and they weigh 7.9 grams on pocket digital scales, the weight tried many times and it comes back the same for all three of the coins so it's not an average weight. If anything I would have thought the dull coin would be lighter, but it's not it's actually the correct weight. One of the other two coins came from the USA in a sealed cello packet, the other a raw coin posted as seen. Now bearing in mind the weight should be 8.1 grams what is your opinion regarding any of them and why are the two comparatively coins lighter than the well circulated coin? The target weight for these coins is 8.1 grams, with a tolerance +/- of less than half a gram according to NGC. Could they be Mint errors, counterfeits what is your opinion? Thank you in anticipation and hoping the images load okay.

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  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,076 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can you do measurements of diameter and thickness? Harbour Freight has a decent digital caliper for $8. Peace Roy

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  • RonstatsRonstats Posts: 16 ✭

    Namvet69 I don't have a caliper to hand, but did manage to get an image before the power died on the camera so you can see if anything they appear to be the same thickness and width. The dull coin shown in pictures above is the one to the right of these three and weighs 8.1 grams, the other two 7.9 grams

  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,813 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Being the odd one out, the dull one does not appear to be a Colombian (made for use in Ecuador) counterfeit, but the edges to seem a bit rounded from the photos.

    You need advice from the likes of @FredWeinberg and @ErrorsOnCoins

    In the end, the larger question is what is the end game here? Even if the two "light" ones are outside of tolerance, what is the value?

    I am glad you have an interest in Sacs, though, as they are woefully underappreciated. :p

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,993 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If NGC says that the tolerance is +/- less than 0.5 grams, and the standard weight is 8.1 grams, I don't understand the question.

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    IMO, you have a normal oxidized coin. I've seen very many just like this. To satisfy yourself In the slim chance that your coin is something special, you can have it authenticated. If you do, write a note about your concerns for the graders.

  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,801 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Agree with insider on this one..........pocket carried and commerce used. Weight is within gov't specs.

    Just spend it.

    bob :)

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,344 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • RonstatsRonstats Posts: 16 ✭

    Thanks for your comments members, appreciated.

  • MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:
    Being the odd one out, the dull one does not appear to be a Colombian (made for use in Ecuador) counterfeit, but the edges to seem a bit rounded from the photos.

    You need advice from the likes of @FredWeinberg and @ErrorsOnCoins

    In the end, the larger question is what is the end game here? Even if the two "light" ones are outside of tolerance, what is the value?

    I am glad you have an interest in Sacs, though, as they are woefully underappreciated. :p

    Here is a picture of a Columbian counterfeit. I have one and will get it out and weigh it in the next day or so.
    smalldollars.com/dollar/add014a.html

    http://www.SmallDollars.com
  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,076 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks MW, we await your pics. Peace Roy

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  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you have 10,000 of them, they will be worth $10,000.00 (with both decimal places!) -- !! Think of it --- Sacagawea brass dollar coins worth -- $10,000.00.....

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,356 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Look like perfectly normal coins to me.

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  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I got me a boatload of those. They are holding their value. Thanks for posting, good question. Welcome!

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  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Welcome to the forum. Nice looking sacs are a pleasure to look at I think. In my opinion there is no comparison with the Presidential dollars in terms of pleasing design.

  • HydrantHydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭

    WELCOME BACK!!?!!

  • Rom71Rom71 Posts: 1 ✭

    I have one that is 8.15. Can someone explain this to me.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,579 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Rom71 said:
    I have one that is 8.15. Can someone explain this to me.

    8.15 g is within normal tolerance

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  • OldhoopsterOldhoopster Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Rom71 said:
    I have one that is 8.15. Can someone explain this to me.

    The weight specification is 8.1 grams +/- 0.3 grams, so your coin falls near the middle of the range.

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  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,923 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I posted this on a similar thread last week:

    PSA- Unless you just want to collect them and enjoy looking for them, stop weighing coins looking for tiny variances in weight, unless the coin is obviously thicker, thinner or shows a difference in color or size that could indicate an improper planchet of some type. There is NO premium for coins that are slightly over or underweight, despite what you may see people on Etsy or YouTube saying and selling.

    I'm seeing this at my table now at almost every show I work, and it's led to some very upset people who have purchased coins with slight weight variances from Etsy and people with videos on YouTube. I recall one gentleman who had a box of over 100 2X2's of coins that were within spec but over or underweight by tenths of a gram. He had written the weight of each coin onthe holder. When he asked if they would be worth submitting and I told him no, he got very upset, saying he'd seen videos online saying they were. He asked if there was someone else he could show them to, and I sent him to one of the error dealers at the show who told him the same thing, causing him to storm out of the show.

    Again, collect what you like, but if you're looking to make money you won't do that with these types of coins.

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  • Levi82Levi82 Posts: 3 ✭

    I have a 2000-p Sacagawea gold dollar and it is in mint state if not close to it but It only weight 6.35g. Why would that be?

  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,866 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is the reverse the same color as the obverse,
    or is it reddish?

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  • Levi82Levi82 Posts: 3 ✭

  • Levi82Levi82 Posts: 3 ✭

    Sorry it took me so long to respond

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is your scale calibrated correctly?

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,866 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not missing the reverse manganese layer, as I thought it might be a slight possibility – but I agree with oak star - check your scale – I see nothing wrong with the coin on either side

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Never mind, I think he's gone.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

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