1952 Topps Wax Pack
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1952 Topps wax pack sells for 48,000. Wow. 1969 Topps wax pack sells for 4,800. Unbelievable.
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I guess I should hold onto this one. Anyone else think that what is likely in such packs is not nearly as good as what we hope is in them. At least 52 can be found. Try running down a Topps 56 or 58 pack....Anthony ?
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
I dropped out of the '69 chase at $2k...
Prices continue to be insane. $40k for the '52, several packs have sold for $50-$80K either publically or privately in the last year. The '69 pack is the one I found really surprising, but IMO it's probably the 2nd toughest regular '60's pack, and there doesn't seem to be much supply. 10 years ago you could put together a near '52-'80 run (minus '56 and '58 of course) in one shot on Steve Harts site, now it would take you years and well into 6 figures to do that.
I don't think a $100k pack is that far off, especially when another collector with means steps in.
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
That’s a good question. What will be the first $100,000 pack?
As those multi-million dollar 52 Mantles gain more publicity out there, those 52 wax packs will naturally rise in price.
It wouldn't surprise me at all to one day see the 52 wax pack at over 100k.
i think that also lifts up every other wax pack that could contain a Mantle.
'56 Topps, or a pre war pack like '33 Sport Kings
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
Tony bought this one from me years ago... you can bet your butt I wish I held onto it :
https://m.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-BASEBALL-5-CENT-Wax-Pack-Mantle-Mays-Robinson-PSA-5/232805964219?hash=item36345119bb:g:9MQAAOSwBXhbIoiE&_sacat=0&_nkw=1952+topps+wax&_from=R40&rt=nc
Should I be surprised by these kinds of prices? I never am.
Andy
What makes the 56 so hard to get?
They've all been ripped!
Collecting Unopened from '72-'83; mostly BBCE certified boxes/cases/racks.
Prefer to buy in bulk.
One of my bigger regrets not buying a pack when the BBCardKid - Mark Murphy - had some beautiful packs he bought from an old lady that were 8 pack cellos in really nice shape. They were around 1500 or so.
I remember 6-7 years ago buying a mint looking 51 but WAY WAY miscut Mantle RC from the same guy Mark who ripped the 69 pack that produced the PSA 7 Mick that looks sharp as heck in the other thread I started recently.
He’s a old time collector from Texas I met and have bought many times from. He only contacts me out of the blue to chat and will sell small pieces of his collection once is a while.
He’s got some MONSTER UNOPENED stuff still to this day and I’m telling him to keep it UNOPENED!!
The MC 51 Mantle he pulled from a unopened pack and he said he has more 51 Bowman Wax!
I told him Psa has 0 authenticated from 51and a graded one would be unbelievable for the hobby.
Fingers crossed!!!!!
Time machine anyone?
This begs the question:
What's the earliest known unopened pack in existence?
psa has 1930 R78 Jungle Gum as their earliest unopened pack thats been graded.
About 15 years ago an Old Judge pack was opened that had a card. Tough to beat that until a Kalamazoo Bat pack comes up.
There was a find of '33 Sport Kings packs about 20 years ago, I've got one of those. There have been some '32 Uncle Jack cello packs floating around. Other than that the oldest I've seen in the 19 years I've been collecting packs and the 8 years of auction catalogs I've collected before that was the partial box of '48 Bowman packs that Mile High auctioned off last year. There was also a '49 Bowman nickel pack that was sold privately a few months ago, and a '49 Leaf rare series pack from that find is floating around in someones collection- that was part of a collection that was sold by Memory Lane last year, but that pack wasn't offered. It either sold privately or it's still in SoCal with its owner.
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
and this pic with it - the packs have a "just made" sheen to them.
The interesting thing is the stacks of $100 bills to the left of the pic, might also be a stack of $20 bills there, likely wouldn't even buy one of those packs today.
What happened to Mark Murphy? I remember he had a fire, lost all his inventory, tried to get back to business, but never did. I used to buy a lot from him. What business is he in now?
memorylane has a 1952 gai 9 pack coming up for auction.
now we will see how it compares with a lesser graded pack from heritage.
I think it would be tough to get into the unopened business these days unless you focus on new product. As the BBCE website proves, there's just not that much vintage unopened available out there to make a business of it. I'm sure collectively there's still quite a bit of material but much of it is locked away in private collections.
The Memory Lane 1952 Topps wax pack has a bad tear from the gum. Otherwise nice pack. GAI compared to PSA. I doubt the final prices will be close. PSA much higher.
I have a few tobacco packs that are unopened with correct factory/date information from 1910. I also have a few packs that were "opened" on mistake (i.e., someone didn't realize they may contain a card), but with their original contents.
Solid photoshop
That's a funny-looking 1962 Topps Cello with Koufax on top
OT- but man the 71 Topps wax packs are on absolute FIRE!!
Wish I hoarded some lol
https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/352346948354?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l10137&ul_ref=http%3A%2F%2Frover.ebay.com%2Frover%2F1%2F711-53200-19255-0%2F1%3Ftype%3D4%26campid%3D5335808978%26toolid%3D10001%26customid%3DPrice%2BListing%255E352346948354%255Eindex.php%253Fcard_id%253D180663%2526a%253D1%2526grd%253D7%2526grdr%253DPSA%26mpre%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.ebay.com%252Fitm%252F-%252F352346948354%253Fnordt%253Dtrue%2526orig_cvip%253Dtrue%2526rt%253Dnc%2526_trksid%253Dp2047675.l10137%26srcrot%3D711-53200-19255-0%26rvr_id%3D1610745001280%26rvr_ts%3Dd4061a8e1640aaa2f4c6608effff81c1
Wow - over 3k
I think she was from Seattle right @Stone193 ? Right in my own back yard. Ahhhhhhh!
I honestly don't remember Doug and his web is gone - both he and Mr Mint listed their big "finds" on their site.
I really do feel a bit ill when I see those shiny clean packs.
Is the picture of the '52 packs legit...an actual find? If so...when?
Sooooo....what is everyone’s best guess on the hammer price for 52 Topps pack? Will be interesting to note the premium (or lack of premium) of GAI packs vs PSA packs. Also how much of a bump is it from a 7 to an 8 to a 9.
Hiya Monte
Yes, IMO, it was legit.
Not sure without looking at some old SCDs and see if I can pinpoint.
It's been some time - I would say around 1993 to 95.
If I were to have a vintage pack that I would spend big bucks on I know damn well it wouldn’t be wrapped for long.That is why avoid all temptations to purchase any.
I think it was Quincy MA if I recall.
It was. Murphy was based in Flying Cloud, CT at the time.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Mr. Mint’s find was in Quincy MA. Mark Murphy’s find was from Seattle.
Thanks for the clarity!! @fleet47 it all seems jumbled now I’m sure for many of us.
Nice article by Doug Koztoski- The Famous 1952 Topps Baseball Card Find dated July 22, 2013 in SMR. Details the find. I goggled it. Didn’t mean to confuse anyone. Article states that Rosen went to Quincy MA.
That’s just the regular ones. If you think the 1971 packs are tough try finding a 1971 pack in a 1970 wrapper.
Dave
Had a full pack run from the 70’s and was missing only one. You guessed it - the 1971. Went on to something else after realizing the 71 would cost me more than all the others combined by a decent margin. Now I am itching to do it again
KC
KC...
Go for it!
Steve told me recently that the 69 pack is the most often counterfeited pack he sees
Jim
60's OPC packs
72 BB, 60's FB, 71FB, 73FB, 74FB, 75FB, 76FB, 78FB Rack Packs
72 and earlier BB cello
So 52Topps PSA 8 goes for 48k and GAI 9 at Memory Lane goes for a little over 13k. Is there THAT big of difference between PSA and GAI? What am I missing here....
TRIAPD
Seriously, some may feel PSA is more reliable, but a lot of it seems registry driven lately. Compare what the PSA 7 ‘71 pack recently sold for (3K+) and the sub $1500 offer accepted for a GAI 7.
Unopened prices overall for this Memory Lane auction were softer than usual for them. I think the fact that 4 auction houses had featured auctions closing on the same night had something to do with it.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Do you think there’s a significant difference in quality between these two packs that explains the price disparity? PSA does seem nicer. Also, the GAI pack sat for weeks at $1699 ask, seems like PWCC buyers wanted a PSA pack....or just didn’t like the GAI pack.
PSA 7 pack $3053
GAI 7 pack $1570
One thing to note about the 71 packs. The last few PSA 7 pcks prior to this one sold on eBay hammered at about 2K so the 3K sale was what I would call an outlier until a few more sell in that range. Also, PWCC commands higher prices than most eBay sellers for a variety of reasons. Lastly the seal on back of the GAI 7 pack did not look terribly appealing to me. Impossible to tell for sure from a scan but that's a large amount of money to take a chance on.
No question, though, that the registry is also a factor and that the PSA flip does command a premium, too. Sometimes, too, running an auction will yield the highest hammer price, even though it's a risk to do so.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
In my opinion, and I think a lot of others out there based on the pricing differential, most folks have much more confidence in the PSA slabbed packs.
One day I will buy a 1962 Topps baseball unopened pack to bust, a series with a shot at the #200 Mantle, perhaps some other vintage packs as well, and they will only be PSA slabbed packs, no other.
Note that Mantle pulled from that Bowman cello recently, was a PSA slabbed pack.
Perhaps I won't find anything but commons in the packs, but all I ask for is at least a fair chance.
In my viewpoint, ya rip vintage packs for fun...and if you get lucky then you get lucky.