I realize the conventional approach, but nope. They have/had no legal tender status and were never approved as coinage. They are chattel that happen to look like real coins. How people choose to collect them, does not alter reality. (Were I editing the Guide Book, the first - well, maybe 2nd or 3rd - thing would be to put $4 Stella and other patterns where they belong, which is not in the regular series.
Maybe there should be a picture book of the best US pattern pieces and not mix coins and patterns.
@lkenefic said:
I suppose it's a list of unobtainium. Perhaps that's why I didn't see 1901-S Barber quarter, or 1877 IHC... I suppose they're more obtainable? But then why does the 09-S VDB make the list?
More people collect Lincoln cents. Especially kids.
To follow up on that: the 1909vdb was (is) the hold grail of all kids entering the hobby.
How could you NOT have that as the anchor of any 100 list???
I guess... but it's sort of anticlimactic when you get one. I filled that hole with a nice xf piece at the time. I looked at it often, but I moved on... quickly. Since then, I've seen many more nice '09-S VDB's than I've seen 1877's...
Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;
I brought it up with @Regulated tonight, and lost the argument but I just have to bring it up.. what about the Brasher Doubloon? I know that technically it's a colonial. But it is such a cool coin. Far more interesting than the 1885 Trade Dollar in my opinion.
@ilikemonsters said:
I brought it up with @Regulated tonight, and lost the argument but I just have to bring it up.. what about the Brasher Doubloon? I know that technically it's a colonial. But it is such a cool coin. Far more interesting than the 1885 Trade Dollar in my opinion.
BD would be close to the top of my list too.
NEXT!
@lkenefic said:
I suppose it's a list of unobtainium. Perhaps that's why I didn't see 1901-S Barber quarter, or 1877 IHC... I suppose they're more obtainable? But then why does the 09-S VDB make the list?
More people collect Lincoln cents. Especially kids.
To follow up on that: the 1909vdb was (is) the hold grail of all kids entering the hobby.
How could you NOT have that as the anchor of any 100 list???
I completely agree. But then, I have a slight bias in that regard.
A representative of Bela Lyon Pratt's incuse Indian design should be there. I will put forth the 1909 $5 Roman Gold proof and remove the 1852 Seated Liberty Dollar. The list does not need both the 1851 & 1852 Seated Dollars.
RE: The 1848-CAL quarter eagle is #54 on the list.
@lkenefic said:
I suppose it's a list of unobtainium. Perhaps that's why I didn't see 1901-S Barber quarter, or 1877 IHC... I suppose they're more obtainable? But then why does the 09-S VDB make the list?
More people collect Lincoln cents. Especially kids.
Old people too.
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Why the 1844-O $5 Proof and not the $10 separately?
Why the 1792 copper Disme? Silver ones are cooler.
Norweb-Missouri Cabinet 1811 H1c Specimen (whatever the slab designates lately)
1921-S WLH
Just posted my much smaller set. I'm more in the fraction (about a tenth) of best 100 club but a reasonable collection of early american silver as a start.
Thanks to the thread for giving a shout out to the 1814 platinum half dollar.
I think the American Congress fugio pattern might be deserving. Pattern for the first Congressionally authorized federal coinage that was produced and circulated (widely). Despite the criminal misfortune with the contract that occurred then.
@ColonelJessup said:
No Garrett '95 $10 picture in your book ? ?
Why the 1844-O $5 Proof and not the $10 separately?
Why the 1792 copper Disme? Silver ones are cooler.
Norweb-Missouri Cabinet 1811 H1c Specimen (whatever the slab designates lately)
1921-S WLH
The overstruck 1851-O $1 proof?
I was looking over the list last night and had reservations about the 44-O proofs in general, and AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY that not listing the 1792 silver dime (as opposed to the copper example) is insane - nobody would prefer to own the off-metal strike. The 51-O overstrike seems like a heavily-promoted piece de caprice when compared to some historically important coins that were left off of the list.
What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
@golden said:
I would remove the 1842 Small Date Quarter and add the 1937-D Three Legged Nickel.
I don’t like the nickel. The coin itself is no big deal. Few collectors would want it if it didn’t have such a cool name. Crazy but true.
I think the 3-legged buffalo is a cool coin and it's very popular in the market place. It's a coin with an intersting story that's well known among coin collectors.
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
1842 SD 25c Proof vs 1893-CC $1 ProofBMSP (or whatever they're calling it lately)
Look at the Vermeule coin
I could go for the 1855-S $3 PR64CAM Jimmy Hayes and John Dannreuther dug up in 1984 as cooler than any other $3 in existence except the 1870-S, Ciao 1875 $3
Flowing Hair and Coiled Hair Stellas each get their own listing.
Pan-Pac $50 octagonal only, because you've got a round Half Union.
1838 $10 should be much higher on the list than many others pieces of early $5, and higher than the 1795 9 leaves $10. Try the Spellman-Akers proof as the ultimate $10 Lib.
Put the Bohren Trust-Warren Miller-David Hall 1858 $10 MS64+ waaaay ahead of either/any 1851 or 1852 S$1, and I'd rather have an 1873-CC $1 than either of them.
Pennies: substitute 1793 Liberty Cap (check the astounding CoinFacts MS64+) for '95 Reeded Edge.
Garrett/Bass 1843-D $5 Specimen 65 is a nice representative of the design type and that Mint.
Eliasberg 1876-CC $5 MS66
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one of the most historically significant coins that should be on the list is the 1943 Steel Lincoln Cent. tell me what has more significance than that??
The 38-O half needs to be higher ranked, as does the half disme. These are historically important, prized and uncommon.
I would also add the 16 DDO Buffalo. That is just one cool looking coin. The three legger has a great purported story behind it but it is not nearly as visually spectacular as the 16 DDO. To me, the 16 DDO is much more striking than the 55 DDO Lincoln because well, the Buffalo is a way better design than the Lincoln cent. JMO of course. And as a Walker guy, I believe you should have the 21-S.
And leave the modern coins off -- they have their own list and book. I would rather add some territorials that circulated in the West but I am sure the purists would not like that.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
Not a very useful list, IMO (Although interesting) It might be interesting to see a poll of forum members asking, how many of these coins are in their collections. I found 3 in mine.
I think a more useful list would be of the most sought after coins by 98% of the collector base. Yes, I'd like to have a Proof 16 V Nickel too, but it ain't going to happen. Maybe the top 10 in each series... Or I guess you could just use the price guides to figure that out.
We need a blue ribbon panel of leading numismatic experts on a Presidential commission to meet and discuss this and come out with their list. Do tax paying American citizens and coin collectors deserve any less?
If a modern... Post 1950... US coin is considered, the Ike 1971-s Type I Proof would be a leading candidate. An untold story in connection with an unappreciated series that transpired within the lifetime of many collectors. Sad that there has been virtually no interest in one of the most unusual and rare US Proof coins of any age.
For those interested, google Ike dollar 1971-s type I proof.
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Comments
The 1848-CAL quarter eagle
RE: "... patterns are coins,"
I realize the conventional approach, but nope. They have/had no legal tender status and were never approved as coinage. They are chattel that happen to look like real coins. How people choose to collect them, does not alter reality. (Were I editing the Guide Book, the first - well, maybe 2nd or 3rd - thing would be to put $4 Stella and other patterns where they belong, which is not in the regular series.
Maybe there should be a picture book of the best US pattern pieces and not mix coins and patterns.
Boy, ain't that the truth?
I keep getting my barrel of patterns mixed up in my suitcase of Chain Cents.
Or-----how about a picture book with blank pages. we could all draw and color in our favorite imaginary designs?
Or----maybe a picture book of favorite counterfeit coins?
Or----a Coin dealer mug shot book: "Sleazy, Sly, Safe and Super."
Hmm...This sounds interesting. Maybe it could become the next Facebook.
I once won a bet with Laura. 1856 flying eagle cent: pattern. 1836 name on base gobrecht: regular issue
I guess... but it's sort of anticlimactic when you get one. I filled that hole with a nice xf piece at the time. I looked at it often, but I moved on... quickly. Since then, I've seen many more nice '09-S VDB's than I've seen 1877's...
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I brought it up with @Regulated tonight, and lost the argument but I just have to bring it up.. what about the Brasher Doubloon? I know that technically it's a colonial. But it is such a cool coin. Far more interesting than the 1885 Trade Dollar in my opinion.
BD would be close to the top of my list too.
NEXT!
I don’t like the nickel. The coin itself is no big deal. Few collectors would want it if it didn’t have such a cool name. Crazy but true.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
I completely agree. But then, I have a slight bias in that regard.
George
A representative of Bela Lyon Pratt's incuse Indian design should be there. I will put forth the 1909 $5 Roman Gold proof and remove the 1852 Seated Liberty Dollar. The list does not need both the 1851 & 1852 Seated Dollars.
RE:
The 1848-CAL quarter eagle is #54 on the list.
Old people too.
The pardon is for tyrants. They like to declare pardons on holidays, such as the birthday of the dictator, or Christ, or the Revolution. Dictators should be encouraged to keep it up. And we should be encouraged to remember that the promiscuous dispensation of clemency is not a sign of political liberality. It is instead one of those valuable, identifying marks of tyranny.
Charles Krauthammer
No Garrett '95 $10 picture in your book ? ?
Why the 1844-O $5 Proof and not the $10 separately?
Why the 1792 copper Disme? Silver ones are cooler.
Norweb-Missouri Cabinet 1811 H1c Specimen (whatever the slab designates lately)
1921-S WLH
The overstruck 1851-O $1 proof?
edited to add: for @tradedollarnut, @cardinal, @MrEureka and @specialist and the just-passed Martin Paul, who schooled me on this piece….. 1794 $1 copper Judd-18 (unique)
Just posted my much smaller set. I'm more in the fraction (about a tenth) of best 100 club
but a reasonable collection of early american silver as a start.
Thanks to the thread for giving a shout out to the 1814 platinum half dollar.
I think the American Congress fugio pattern might be deserving. Pattern for the first Congressionally authorized federal coinage that was produced and circulated (widely). Despite the criminal misfortune with the contract that occurred then.
I was looking over the list last night and had reservations about the 44-O proofs in general, and AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY that not listing the 1792 silver dime (as opposed to the copper example) is insane - nobody would prefer to own the off-metal strike. The 51-O overstrike seems like a heavily-promoted piece de caprice when compared to some historically important coins that were left off of the list.
What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
I think the 3-legged buffalo is a cool coin and it's very popular in the market place. It's a coin with an intersting story that's well known among coin collectors.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I agree. Besides, if you add the nickel, then you have to add the 58 DDO or 1969 S DDO Lincoln Cent.
1842 SD 25c Proof vs 1893-CC $1 Proof BMSP (or whatever they're calling it lately)
Look at the Vermeule coin
I could go for the 1855-S $3 PR64CAM Jimmy Hayes and John Dannreuther dug up in 1984 as cooler than any other $3 in existence except the 1870-S, Ciao 1875 $3
Flowing Hair and Coiled Hair Stellas each get their own listing.
Pan-Pac $50 octagonal only, because you've got a round Half Union.
1838 $10 should be much higher on the list than many others pieces of early $5, and higher than the 1795 9 leaves $10. Try the Spellman-Akers proof as the ultimate $10 Lib.
Put the Bohren Trust-Warren Miller-David Hall 1858 $10 MS64+ waaaay ahead of either/any 1851 or 1852 S$1, and I'd rather have an 1873-CC $1 than either of them.
Pennies: substitute 1793 Liberty Cap (check the astounding CoinFacts MS64+) for '95 Reeded Edge.
Garrett/Bass 1843-D $5 Specimen 65 is a nice representative of the design type and that Mint.
Eliasberg 1876-CC $5 MS66
.
Yep, and not enough Susan B Anthonys...
one of the most historically significant coins that should be on the list is the 1943 Steel Lincoln Cent. tell me what has more significance than that??
Much more so than the 1863 proof
The 38-O half needs to be higher ranked, as does the half disme. These are historically important, prized and uncommon.
I would also add the 16 DDO Buffalo. That is just one cool looking coin. The three legger has a great purported story behind it but it is not nearly as visually spectacular as the 16 DDO. To me, the 16 DDO is much more striking than the 55 DDO Lincoln because well, the Buffalo is a way better design than the Lincoln cent. JMO of course. And as a Walker guy, I believe you should have the 21-S.
And leave the modern coins off -- they have their own list and book. I would rather add some territorials that circulated in the West but I am sure the purists would not like that.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
should the list be comprised of low mintage, expensive coins, or coins with some type of historic significance??
Not a very useful list, IMO (Although interesting) It might be interesting to see a poll of forum members asking, how many of these coins are in their collections. I found 3 in mine.
I think a more useful list would be of the most sought after coins by 98% of the collector base. Yes, I'd like to have a Proof 16 V Nickel too, but it ain't going to happen. Maybe the top 10 in each series... Or I guess you could just use the price guides to figure that out.
We need a blue ribbon panel of leading numismatic experts on a Presidential commission to meet and discuss this and come out with their list. Do tax paying American citizens and coin collectors deserve any less?
If a modern... Post 1950... US coin is considered, the Ike 1971-s Type I Proof would be a leading candidate. An untold story in connection with an unappreciated series that transpired within the lifetime of many collectors. Sad that there has been virtually no interest in one of the most unusual and rare US Proof coins of any age.
For those interested, google Ike dollar 1971-s type I proof.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.