I must have unusually thick skin. I read the titles and poster names and can ignore what I don't like without fear of missing anything. I know who the regulars are past and present. When I'm bored, I'll occasionally look at the rest.
Al, at different times the forum has been flooded with other issues - US Mint products, Dan Carr issues, Bullion (which finally got it's own forum), 1st Gen slabs... But never, until recently, has there been such an influx of aggressively ignorant newbies/ trolls with "bowtie fantastics" and CAC thread opinions. Doesn't bother me a bit - I'm retentive enough to pick flyspecks from pepper
My skin is thick for certain occasions yet thin for others.......all and all 'water off my back'
Life is short......cheesy may it sounds but it's true.
Stay in your present and it is A PRESENT after all
one thing I have learned in my time here is that threads tend to take their own direction, this one is no exception. I will probably surprise some when I say this, but the newbie "newbies" and their queries aren't what bothers me the most over the last year or so, it's the supposed "expert newbies" that have arrived.
perhaps it is just my personality that tends to be in conflict with so many of them, but the approach I took and the approach of most everyone in the past has been to come through the door slowly and gain some traction over time. this new breed is different, they show up in a self-righteous manner full of knowledge, intent on explaining to us how everything works, what is right and wrong with the Hobby, how proficient they are at grading, etc.
I find it very off-putting. there seems less amicable discourse and more negative discussion. regular input from many senior, truly knowledgeable members has either dwindled away slowly or come to a halt.
@keets said:
one thing I have learned in my time here is that threads tend to take their own direction, this one is no exception. I will probably surprise some when I say this, but the newbie "newbies" and their queries aren't what bothers me the most over the last year or so, it's the supposed "expert newbies" that have arrived.
perhaps it is just my personality that tends to be in conflict with so many of them, but the approach I took and the approach of most everyone in the past has been to come through the door slowly and gain some traction over time. this new breed is different, they show up in a self-righteous manner full of knowledge, intent on explaining to us how everything works, what is right and wrong with the Hobby, how proficient they are at grading, etc.
I find it very off-putting. there seems less amicable discourse and more negative discussion. regular input from many senior, truly knowledgeable members has either dwindled away slowly or come to a halt.
I'm a little confused. One of the biggest brouhahas recently was on the CAC thread and was between largely a bunch of old-timers. I'm not sure it's newbie vs. old-timer. There just seems to be factions.
@keets said:
Lately, The PCGS US Coin Forum seems to be dominated by new members with strong opinions which override knowledge and the results are predictable. Things have taken a turn over the past year and maybe longer. I for one see it as a bad thing which isn't getting better any time soon.
Al H.
Perhaps this transcends coin collecting and may be a generational thing? I get comments from people constantly about topics related to infectious disease (my area of expertise). Yet I'm met with skepticism when I offer an answer that somehow doesn't correlate with their preconceived notions. Heck, I've even gotten this from my students! At least there, in an academic setting, I can politely remind them that I'm the one with a PhD and 30+ years of experience. On numismatic matters, I'm a dilettante. I've dabbled as a collector and know a fair amount over the years. I've developed some skills along the way, but I've come to the realization that those that do this for a living, probably know a bit more than I do! go figure!!
Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;
@keets said:
Lately, The PCGS US Coin Forum seems to be dominated by new members with strong opinions which override knowledge and the results are predictable. Things have taken a turn over the past year and maybe longer. I for one see it as a bad thing which isn't getting better any time soon.
Al H.
Perhaps this transcends coin collecting and may be a generational thing? I get comments from people constantly about topics related to infectious disease (my area of expertise). Yet I'm met with skepticism when I offer an answer that somehow doesn't correlate with their preconceived notions. Heck, I've even gotten this from my students! At least there, in an academic setting, I can politely remind them that I'm the one with a PhD and 30+ years of experience. On numismatic matters, I'm a dilettante. I've dabbled as a collector and know a fair amount over the years. I've developed some skills along the way, but I've come to the realization that those that do this for a living, probably know a bit more than I do! go figure!!
That might explain the two 20 year olds on this site. But what about the 70 year olds? What generation are you in?
By the way, prior knowledge is the hardest thing to change. There's a Carnegie Mellon study on graduating Harvard seniors that showed that even after 4 years at Harvard, many still harbored childhood misconceptions. The first way you learn something, whether it is correct, incorrect or only partly correct, has real sticking power and is very hard to relearn.
I am probably one of the ones you could bang your head over, I believe that new accounts have a limits to the amount of messages and posts that they can do. So the question I have is how much is real and how much is Goofing off. I try to be real. I would say that the message board is not just for Graders or those with 20-30 years experience.
Perhaps a category should be designated for those folks Who are experts and those that are not.
I like participating but perhaps I will start to hold back, feel like not a cool kid.
@Kkathyl said:
I am probably one of the ones you could bang your head over, I believe that new accounts have a limits to the amount of messages and posts that they can do. So the question I have is how much is real and how much is Goofing off. I try to be real. I would say that the message board is not just for Graders or those with 20-30 years experience.
Perhaps a category should be designated for those folks Who are experts and those that are not.
I like participating but perhaps I will start to hold back, feel like not a cool kid.
Even though I am not a numismatic expert, I also do not want to be relegated to a forum that has no experts. JMO
That might explain the two 20 year olds on this site. But what about the 70 year olds? What generation are you in?
By the way, prior knowledge is the hardest thing to change. There's a Carnegie Mellon study on graduating Harvard seniors that showed that even after 4 years at Harvard, many still harbored childhood misconceptions. The first way you learn something, whether it is correct, incorrect or only partly correct, has real sticking power and is very hard to relearn.
So true... I'm in what Richard Hell refered to as The Blank Generation. I'm too young to be a Baby Boomer and just a tad too old to be Gen X. Perhaps I'm not so old as to have become intransigent in my thoughts and I'm still of the mind that I can entertain new ideas... even from youngsters! lol! But, that's also the nature of science. If you become entrenched in dogma, your field has a tendency of passing you by. I find my best days are when I've learned something...
Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;
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I must have unusually thick skin. I read the titles and poster names and can ignore what I don't like without fear of missing anything. I know who the regulars are past and present. When I'm bored, I'll occasionally look at the rest.
I'm not too adept with technology but I figured out how to ignore pdlp or whatever his name is.
Ahhh....what a relief it is.
Al, at different times the forum has been flooded with other issues - US Mint products, Dan Carr issues, Bullion (which finally got it's own forum), 1st Gen slabs... But never, until recently, has there been such an influx of aggressively ignorant newbies/ trolls with "bowtie fantastics" and CAC thread opinions. Doesn't bother me a bit - I'm retentive enough to pick flyspecks from pepper
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My skin is thick for certain occasions yet thin for others.......all and all 'water off my back'
Life is short......cheesy may it sounds but it's true.
Stay in your present and it is A PRESENT after all
Where are the mod's or did the newbies not cross that line yet? Where is Bongo.
Hoard the keys.
one thing I have learned in my time here is that threads tend to take their own direction, this one is no exception. I will probably surprise some when I say this, but the newbie "newbies" and their queries aren't what bothers me the most over the last year or so, it's the supposed "expert newbies" that have arrived.
perhaps it is just my personality that tends to be in conflict with so many of them, but the approach I took and the approach of most everyone in the past has been to come through the door slowly and gain some traction over time. this new breed is different, they show up in a self-righteous manner full of knowledge, intent on explaining to us how everything works, what is right and wrong with the Hobby, how proficient they are at grading, etc.
I find it very off-putting. there seems less amicable discourse and more negative discussion. regular input from many senior, truly knowledgeable members has either dwindled away slowly or come to a halt.
I'm a little confused. One of the biggest brouhahas recently was on the CAC thread and was between largely a bunch of old-timers. I'm not sure it's newbie vs. old-timer. There just seems to be factions.
a forum newbie isn't necessarily a novice to the Hobby. I'll leave it at that.
Successful transactions with : MICHAELDIXON, Manorcourtman, Bochiman, bolivarshagnasty, AUandAG, onlyroosies, chumley, Weiss, jdimmick, BAJJERFAN, gene1978, TJM965, Smittys, GRANDAM, JTHawaii, mainejoe, softparade, derryb, Ricko
Bad transactions with : nobody to date
The old-timers in those nasty spats are neither Hobby newbies nor forum newbies.
Perhaps this transcends coin collecting and may be a generational thing? I get comments from people constantly about topics related to infectious disease (my area of expertise). Yet I'm met with skepticism when I offer an answer that somehow doesn't correlate with their preconceived notions. Heck, I've even gotten this from my students! At least there, in an academic setting, I can politely remind them that I'm the one with a PhD and 30+ years of experience. On numismatic matters, I'm a dilettante. I've dabbled as a collector and know a fair amount over the years. I've developed some skills along the way, but I've come to the realization that those that do this for a living, probably know a bit more than I do! go figure!!
Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.
That might explain the two 20 year olds on this site. But what about the 70 year olds?
What generation are you in?
By the way, prior knowledge is the hardest thing to change. There's a Carnegie Mellon study on graduating Harvard seniors that showed that even after 4 years at Harvard, many still harbored childhood misconceptions. The first way you learn something, whether it is correct, incorrect or only partly correct, has real sticking power and is very hard to relearn.
Bingo.
Smitten with DBLCs.
I am probably one of the ones you could bang your head over, I believe that new accounts have a limits to the amount of messages and posts that they can do. So the question I have is how much is real and how much is Goofing off. I try to be real. I would say that the message board is not just for Graders or those with 20-30 years experience.
Perhaps a category should be designated for those folks Who are experts and those that are not.
I like participating but perhaps I will start to hold back, feel like not a cool kid.
Best place to buy !
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Even though I am not a numismatic expert, I also do not want to be relegated to a forum that has no experts. JMO
Successful transactions with : MICHAELDIXON, Manorcourtman, Bochiman, bolivarshagnasty, AUandAG, onlyroosies, chumley, Weiss, jdimmick, BAJJERFAN, gene1978, TJM965, Smittys, GRANDAM, JTHawaii, mainejoe, softparade, derryb, Ricko
Bad transactions with : nobody to date
PS @Kkathyl
I think most of us here, including yourself, are cool kids
Successful transactions with : MICHAELDIXON, Manorcourtman, Bochiman, bolivarshagnasty, AUandAG, onlyroosies, chumley, Weiss, jdimmick, BAJJERFAN, gene1978, TJM965, Smittys, GRANDAM, JTHawaii, mainejoe, softparade, derryb, Ricko
Bad transactions with : nobody to date
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So true... I'm in what Richard Hell refered to as The Blank Generation. I'm too young to be a Baby Boomer and just a tad too old to be Gen X. Perhaps I'm not so old as to have become intransigent in my thoughts and I'm still of the mind that I can entertain new ideas... even from youngsters! lol! But, that's also the nature of science. If you become entrenched in dogma, your field has a tendency of passing you by. I find my best days are when I've learned something...
Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.