1797 Large Cent Aid
kenriles012
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I feel like I am missing the obvious when I try and attribute this.
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kenriles012
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I must be tired, I can't figure it out either.
It's not a Rev of 95
It does not have a Broken B.
Wreath appears to have 5/5 berries....but not positive about this.
Wreath has stems.
Date is none of the 'wide' varieties.
What does that leave?
Whenever I see that die crack I always figure S-139.
Ok so somebody said it so I can go there. i obviously thought the same thing because I saw that crack but then I started to think I'm losing my mind.
The R in LIBERTY has a huge gap between the hair which it should not.
The reverse looks to be spot on for S-139 but the line extending from the right of the fraction bar to ribbon is not there so I thought maybe an EDS? But the entire fraction bar is looks too fat to start.
So I am lost. Was the S-139 reverse reworked and this is pre-reworking maybe?
I think it's a 139.
The obverse space between R and the hair could be strike. Everything else, including the spacing of the date and lettering and even the crack, match.
The reverse is a lock 139 or 140 -- the wreath position to the lettering outside is a perfect match (a trick that is used for middle date large cents, but also works for earlier ones), as are the relationships between the fraction and the wreath. ONE CENT position and spacing looks dead on too. S OF A is starting to swell. And to your observation, the fraction bar just looks a bit beat up and has a bit of a fat lip.
Incidentally, your coin can't be a 140 because the pendants of T are perfect, and the die crack isn't right either.
139 it is.
To confirm... You might look for the two engraver's scratches on the 139/140 reverse: The first is from the fraction bar to the right ribbon. The second starts at the end of the left stem and nearly touches U. Given the conditions and surfaces, along with the light nature of these two features, you might not be able to make them out, but I think I can even see them in your photo. They can be seen plainly in the reverse of this coin: https://coins.ha.com/itm/large-cents/1797-1c-reverse-of-1797-stems-au55-ngc-s-139-b-21-r1-our-eac-grade-xf45/a/1200-2623.s?ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Auction-Archive-ArchiveSearchResults-012417&lotPosition=0
Hope this helps...Mike
I like it as a 139.
Lance.
That's kind of cheating!
Well done!
That image got my mind working....
Has anyone thought about an AI-based attribution service?
How hard can it be?
Not hard if you are Lance.
Perhaps. Let's see!
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1000684/ai-coin-attribution#latest
Lance, that's a fabulous job.
...Tom
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Since I have everybody here. On the 1797 can somebody explain to me what "Curved tail to R" means? Which R? What tail?
They've been talking about it since the 1990s. It is not as easy as you think given the difference in degree of preservation.