USA: copper Braided Hair large cent, 1851

lordmarcovan · March 23, 2015 3:09AM

USA: copper Braided Hair large cent, 1851

PCGS MS63 BN. Cert.# 31685922. Ex-"tyedye" (Collectors Universe), 03/21/2015.

Funny, I just realized that in more than 38 years of collecting coins, this is is the first time I've actually owned a Mint State US large cent, though I've had a few nice AU examples in the past. This example seems to be nice for a Brown UNC, with some hints of original red peeking through. I may send it to PCGS for reholdering and a TrueView image sometime.

PCGS cert verification
PCGS priceguide trends
Numismedia priceguide trends
PCGS/Photograde standards
Prior grading poll thread about this coin

Wikipedia links:
Large cent (United States coin)
Christian Gobrecht (designer)

When posted here, this coin was part of my "Eclectic Box of 20" collection.

ChangeInHistory · March 23, 2015 3:16AM

Pretty nice, especially for a 63.

jedm · March 23, 2015 3:21AM

Very nice looking cent! I am bitten by the large cent bug lately and have not acquired an uncirculated one yet.

Flatwoods · March 23, 2015 3:27AM

Nice looking coin. Congrats on your first unc.

Justlooking · March 23, 2015 4:49AM

I like it. One of these days I'm going to buy me one of those in blazing red.

Sonorandesertrat · March 23, 2015 4:57AM

<< I like it. One of these days I'm going to buy me one of those in blazing red. >>

Be very careful. A large percentage of the RED large cents that I have seen during the last decade look artificially colored to me. The coin docs have gotten really good at this, and buyers frequently don't catch on until the color begins to turn funky.

Sonorandesertrat · March 23, 2015 5:00AM

Deleted. Double post.

asheland · March 23, 2015 5:55AM

Awesome coin! I've always liked those.

Broadstruck · March 23, 2015 6:02AM

<< 

<< I like it. One of these days I'm going to buy me one of those in blazing red. >>

Be very careful. A large percentage of the RED large cents that I have seen during the last decade look artificially colored to me. The coin docs have gotten really good at this, and buyers frequently don't catch on until the color begins to turn funky. >>

keyman64 · March 23, 2015 6:15AM

Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me, I don't think I was totally wrong. If you look at the slab photos, they seem properly exposed and the coin is a little DARKER than in the original photos shown which seem slightly over exposed. That can make difference, to me anyway. I like it in the slab shots! Congrats on your NEWP.

The extreme example is with those stupid fantasy photos of mid 19th century silver proofs. In hand the coins are almost totally black but then some auction houses like Heritage (heck PCGS True View even does it sometimes) find it necessary to post crazy colorful over exposed images. It makes no sense to me...are they coin collectors or fantasy photo collectors/sellers. The truth in marketing just goes completely out the window with those.

originalisbest · March 23, 2015 7:05AM

<< Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me, I don't think I was totally wrong. If you look at the slab photos, they seem properly exposed and the coin is a little DARKER than in the original photos shown which seem slightly over exposed. That can make difference, to me anyway. I like it in the slab shots! Congrats on your NEWP.

The extreme example is with those stupid fantasy photos of mid 19th century silver proofs. In hand the coins are almost totally black but then some auction houses like Heritage (heck PCGS True View even does it sometimes) find it necessary to post crazy colorful over exposed images. It makes no sense to me...are they coin collectors or fantasy photo collectors/sellers. The truth in marketing just goes completely out the window with those. >>

I agree, and it's an annoying aspect of colorful coin photography. Looking almost nothing like the actual coin in hand.

lordmarcovan · March 23, 2015 8:15AM

<< Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me, I don't think I was totally wrong. If you look at the slab photos, they seem properly exposed and the coin is a little DARKER than in the original photos shown which seem slightly over exposed. That can make difference, to me anyway. I like it in the slab shots! Congrats on your NEWP.

The extreme example is with those stupid fantasy photos of mid 19th century silver proofs. In hand the coins are almost totally black but then some auction houses like Heritage (heck PCGS True View even does it sometimes) find it necessary to post crazy colorful over exposed images. It makes no sense to me...are they coin collectors or fantasy photo collectors/sellers. The truth in marketing just goes completely out the window with those. >>

I totally know what you mean. I don't find fault with "glamour shots" if they are reasonably true to how the coin looks in hand from at least half the various angles one could view it from, I guess. But if it only pops when seen from one narrow "sweet spot", then I guess that does open a potential can of worms when a buyer sees it in hand.

I try to get TrueViews or excellent images (admittedly "glam") of all my coins in the Box of 20, but the slab shots I usually grab from the auction, the cert page, or I just scan them myself on a flatbed scanner, so the glam shots are always accompanied by very UN-glam slabshots.

Of course this coin is not yet in hand as of this posting. I will likely send it for TrueView & reholder if I'm going to keep it a while. Both sets of pix we're currently looking at came from the seller, "tydye" on BST, with whom I've had several good transactions. I cobbled the slabshots together from a group photo he posted on BST (with a Reeded Edge Bust half). The larger pix he shot later so I could do the GTG poll. He protested that his photography sucks, but it's better than I could've done, probably.

DUIGUY · March 23, 2015 1:16PM

I was in 61 62 camp.

Justlooking · March 23, 2015 4:19PM

<< 

<< I like it. One of these days I'm going to buy me one of those in blazing red. >>

Be very careful. A large percentage of the RED large cents that I have seen during the last decade look artificially colored to me. The coin docs have gotten really good at this, and buyers frequently don't catch on until the color begins to turn funky. >>

That would be a major purchase for me. I think I'd ask for help here before taking that plunge ... either on a specific piece, or for recommendations for a reputable dealer.

lasvegasteddy · March 23, 2015 4:41PM

pretty example here
congrats

TopographicOceans · March 23, 2015 5:42PM

You should bury it in your back yard and then go find it and dig it up

lordmarcovan · March 23, 2015 5:47PM

<< You should bury it in your back yard and then go find it and dig it up

>>

Been there, done that.

Actually, that particular one there is an 1850, with the date really weakly struck. Dug a gorgeous "Eagle A" artillery button with full gilt right near it. Another guy had found an officer's eagle belt plate there, so obviously we were on an old Civil War campsite.

ricko · March 24, 2015 12:14AM

That is a really nice cent LordM..... great candidate for a box of twenty...Cheers, RickO

joecopper · March 24, 2015 8:57AM

I have had coins bagged for less marks than this con - nice coin though.

rays · March 24, 2015 10:32AM

I think it unlikely to upgrade upon re-submission due to:
Marks on the obverse
reverse weak strike

sniocsu · March 24, 2015 10:50AM

Excellent coin! Old copper is always nice

lordmarcovan · March 24, 2015 3:04PM

<< I think it unlikely to upgrade upon re-submission due to:
Marks on the obverse
reverse weak strike >>

I have no intention of resubmitting it for grading. I might submit it for TrueView and reholder, though.

rays · March 25, 2015 7:06AM

<< 

<< I think it unlikely to upgrade upon re-submission due to:
Marks on the obverse
reverse weak strike >>

I have no intention of resubmitting it for grading. I might submit it for TrueView and reholder, though. >>

Why re-holder? I must be missing somethin

originalisbest · March 25, 2015 7:27AM

<< 

<< 

<< I think it unlikely to upgrade upon re-submission due to:
Marks on the obverse
reverse weak strike >>

I have no intention of resubmitting it for grading. I might submit it for TrueView and reholder, though. >>

Why re-holder? I must be missing somethin >>

I assume LordM, wanting it truviewed, assumes it has to be out of the holder to do so. Which may be the case, altho Phil might now be able to offer truview while still in the holder. Not sure if this is the case, but here is the place to ask.

lordmarcovan · March 25, 2015 8:21AM

I assumed reholder was necessary with Trueviews. Would be news to me if he did 'em in the holder, particularly since the latest edge view holders have some"overhang" (though nowhere near as intrusive as NGC's dread white "Prongs of Death".)

Coin just arrived, and looks great in hand. Perhaps a tiny bit more luster than I expected from the pix. The few small marks on the obverse are visible but do not bother me at all.

Not my first good transaction with tyedye Mike on the BST, and probably not the last, either.

USA: copper Braided Hair large cent, 1851

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