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The Langbord Appeal was argued 2 months ago and a decision will likely be issued in the next 30 days
SanctionII
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I checked the docket today for the appeal and no decision yet. I looked at a 3rd District Court Of Appeal information guide and learned that this court usually issues a decision in a case in just under three months from the date that the case is submitted for decision after oral arguments.
Will be interesting to see what the Court of Appeal has to say.
Will be interesting to see what the Court of Appeal has to say.
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The family will not get anything back from the Treasury.
And honestly, I don't know what the Langbord's were thinking by handing over all those coins in the first place?
They obviously had some very bad legal advice!
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<< <i>I predict that most if not all of the coins will be in one of the 2015 ANA auctions. >>
Wouldn't that be quite the spectacle.
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<< <i>I predict that most if not all of the coins will be in one of the 2015 ANA auctions. >>
From your mouth to God's ear!
If the Treasury is involved and the case doesn't help them politically, be ready for every stalling tactic known to man.
I've been involved in a lawsuit with the Treasury for over 5 years now and we are still in the discovery phase. They are doing everything they can to delay the inevitable outcome where we win. So much for fairness and a speedy trial.
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All of the above would likely mean that things remain in flux.
The only way I could see the litigation ending soon is if the Langbords lose the appeal and choose to do nothing further. If that happens the decision of the Court Of Appeal would become final and at that point the case would be over. Who knows what the government would do with the 10 coins at that point, but I doubt that the government would put them up for sale because of the promises it made in the settlement of the Fenton case [that no other 1933 Double Eagle would be legal to own] which likely prompted the buyer of the Fenton coin to step up to the plate and pay the big money to acquire it.
<< <i>I would find it unlikely that the legal dispute over the 10 1933 Double Eagles will resolve itself with the filing of the decision of the Court Of Appeal in the coming weeks. If the decision is completely against the Government it would no doubt pursue the case further into the appellate court system, even to the point of seeking review by the US Supreme Court. If the decision is completely against the Langbords they may also do the same. If the decision is in the middle [say one that reverses some or all of the trial court judgment and orders the case back to the trial court level for a new trial on some or all issues] then it may be that both sides abide by the ruling and proceed further at that point with whatever comes next.
All of the above would likely mean that things remain in flux.
The only way I could see the litigation ending soon is if the Langbords lose the appeal and choose to do nothing further. If that happens the decision of the Court Of Appeal would become final and at that point the case would be over. Who knows what the government would do with the 10 coins at that point, but I doubt that the government would put them up for sale because of the promises it made in the settlement of the Fenton case [that no other 1933 Double Eagle would be legal to own] which likely prompted the buyer of the Fenton coin to step up to the plate and pay the big money to acquire it. >>
Agree about the impact of the Fenton auction. At a minimum, if they wanted to sell the coins, the government would have to work out some sort of deal with the Fenton buyer, not sure what could be done.
<< <i>I predict that most if not all of the coins will be in one of the 2015 ANA auctions. >>
RWB, get your pencil sharpened. I suspect some guest cataloging is imminent. After you've written up nine of them, I'll be happy to work on number ten
<< <i>I predict that most if not all of the coins will be in one of the 2015 ANA auctions. >>
RWB, get your pencil sharpened. I suspect some guest cataloging is imminent. After you've written up nine of them, I'll be happy to work on number ten
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<< <i>For the last time: Just split them.
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Well Bob, you have just saved the taxpayers and the Langbords $1.5 million each in legal fees.
That makes so much sense it will never happen.
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<< <i>For the last time: Just split them.
bob
Well Bob, you have just saved the taxpayers and the Langbords $1.5 million each in legal fees.
That makes so much sense it will never happen. >>
That's $1.5 mil per coin, right?
"I predict that most if not all of the coins will be in one of the 2015 ANA auctions. " disagree with this and agree with SanctionII's comments.
<< <i>If the decision is completely against the Government it would no doubt pursue the case further into the appellate court system, even to the point of seeking review by the US Supreme Court. >>
I'm not sure that I agree. If the government appeals, it will likely seek en banc review within the Circuit Court of Appeals. If this is denied, I think a petition for writ of certiorari is unlikely. Typically, the Supreme Court only cares when there are conflicts among the circuit courts of appeals or issues of national importance (e.g. national security). I think the fact pattern of this case is unique enough that certiorari is unlikely. It is not likely to be repeated, nor is it likely that there are circuit conflicts.
<< <i>I don't know what the Langbord's were thinking by handing over all those coins in the first place? >>
The story is that they were sent to the Mint for authentication. But the story doesn't invalidate your question - why did they send them to the Mint, of all places.
Did they honestly think they'd get them back? As we see, the Mint said "yes, they're real, but they're stolen property. Thanks for returning them, off you go." And if the Mint decided they were not authentic, they could have just as easily confiscated them on the grounds that they were counterfeit.
If the Langbords had sent them to a third-party grader, would the grader have been under any legal obligation to report them to the Mint?
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<< <i>I don't know what the Langbord's were thinking by handing over all those coins in the first place? >>
The story is that they were sent to the Mint for authentication. But the story doesn't invalidate your question - why did they send them to the Mint, of all places.
Did they honestly think they'd get them back? As we see, the Mint said "yes, they're real, but they're stolen property. Thanks for returning them, off you go." And if the Mint decided they were not authentic, they could have just as easily confiscated them on the grounds that they were counterfeit.
If the Langbords had sent them to a third-party grader, would the grader have been under any legal obligation to report them to the Mint? >>
Would a TPG have kept them out of the pop reports?
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<< <i>I don't know what the Langbord's were thinking by handing over all those coins in the first place? >>
The story is that they were sent to the Mint for authentication. But the story doesn't invalidate your question - why did they send them to the Mint, of all places.
Did they honestly think they'd get them back? As we see, the Mint said "yes, they're real, but they're stolen property. Thanks for returning them, off you go." And if the Mint decided they were not authentic, they could have just as easily confiscated them on the grounds that they were counterfeit.
If the Langbords had sent them to a third-party grader, would the grader have been under any legal obligation to report them to the Mint? >>
Would a TPG have kept them out of the pop reports? >>
If memory serves, the Langbord's sent the coins to the mint, because they had approached the mint hoping for a deal like the mint had just made on the King Farouk coin. The mint told them the first step is to have them authenticate the coins. The Langbord's sent them in and the government kept them. Others may have more details, and correct me if I am wrong.
I do know the government sent the coins to NGC to be graded. I doubt they are in the pop reports, but I saw an article in the Coin Dealer News that listed the grades. I know one of the coins came back improperly cleaned.
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