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1902 Barber Half - Blast white!

MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 9,307 ✭✭✭✭✭
I bought this recently from a guy carrying it around in an old Bowers and Merena mylar auction flip.
It was simply graded "MS" and was from their "Spring Quartette" sale in 1992.

It had clearly rubbed around inside the old plastic flip and looked to have developed wear on the high points.
It also had developed a tiny bit of green PVC haze. I made him a pretty fair offer based on the potential damage & wear.
He was pretty happy and so I cut it out immediately, took it home and soaked it overnight in acetone.
You can still see some haze... it very well may be permanent.
Does this stand any chance of grading? Can you tell at all from the photos?

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    stealerstealer Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭✭
    I'm not seeing any rub, perhaps some frost break on the eagle's cheek and neck feathers but I don't think that would preclude it from an MS grade.

    Is there any haze on Liberty's face?
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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks good to me.

    A solid 63 perhaps?
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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 10,295 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Might go MS-64 if there is no environmental damage.
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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    all-in-all a nice quarter and is quite lustrous so long as the contaminates have bee neutralized image
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    MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 9,307 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Might go MS-64 if there is no environmental damage. >>



    That's the big question right there. I will send it in to PCGS sometime soon. In the meantime, I'm really far out of my element on being able
    to determine just what state this coin might be in. There is a little bit of what looks like friction on the neck just under the ear. It's not quite
    as apparent in hand, but the photo shows it well.

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    MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 9,307 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm not seeing any rub, perhaps some frost break on the eagle's cheek and neck feathers but I don't think that would preclude it from an MS grade.

    Is there any haze on Liberty's face? >>




    Just a tiny amount in places, not all over the face. It's only visible when tilted just so...
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    MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

    Brian,

    Looks MS 64 to me - it's hard to grade MS coins from images alone.
    It certainly has booming luster - and I see no breaks in the luster.

    Good luck.
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    TAMU15TAMU15 Posts: 577 ✭✭
    looks like a nice 64. and i think it would grade. if it didnt grade, crack and try again..
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    stealerstealer Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>There is a little bit of what looks like friction on the neck just under the ear. It's not quite as apparent in hand, but the photo shows it well. >>


    Are you referring to the neckline area? It's such a small area that if it were rub I don't think it would matter, especially if it isn't as apparent in hand.
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    Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Look like some one tryed to take off something they did not like and ruff it up a bit. image


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    MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 9,307 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Look like some one tryed to take off something they did not like and ruff it up a bit. image >>




    Nope, like I said... it was in the sealed flip when I bought it and I haven't touched it other than to soak it overnight.
    I'm afraid to even breathe on the damn thing. I think maybe I'll send it off tomorrow. You guys are encouraging.
    You should have heard all the negative feedback I received after buying it this weekend at the show.
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    OMG...that is so awful. Let me take it off your hands for silver melt.

    Just kidding....looks pretty good to me. If there is some unsightly haze, just give it a quick dip (?).

    Thanks for posting.



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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,433 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>.
    all-in-all a nice quarter and is quite lustrous so long as the contaminates have bee neutralized image
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    Half-dollar.
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    HigashiyamaHigashiyama Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When people say "quick dip", I assume they are referring to acetone, and not a tarnish remover like MS70, which I believe could have a disasterous effect on this coin.
    Higashiyama
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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,186 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS70 is NOT a tarnish remover. It does not etch silver like EZ Zest or Jeweluster.
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    HigashiyamaHigashiyama Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭✭✭
    OK image ; my main point is that dip would often mean remove more than just PVC, etc; you would not want to do that to this coin.
    Higashiyama
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    I could be wrong, but I think it has been dipped!

    Eric
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    HigashiyamaHigashiyama Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree, but I think it is attractive; another dip could do it in.
    Higashiyama
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    JJMJJM Posts: 8,130 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think its good to go
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    WindycityWindycity Posts: 3,608 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Don't dip... just send it in and let us know how it grades!
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    goldengolden Posts: 10,564 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Keep us posted.
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    ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,743 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd be more concerned re the PVC residue between stars 3 and 4 rather than the discoloration below the ear. The good news is that it doesn't appear to be active.

    That being said, I've seen coins with more problems than this one get into TPG holders. The cheek looks fairly clean, and neck isn't too bad. It wouldn't surprise me to see this coin in an MS 63 or MS 64 holder, depending on what sort of day the graders are having when they see the coin.
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    rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are enough surface distractions to make me think it's going to come back 62 or 63. However, I agree that it should grade at PCGS. Hope it was a good buy!
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    coinlieutenantcoinlieutenant Posts: 9,329 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Soak in fresh acetone and wash thoroughly for one more 24 hour period....

    I think it will grade.

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    MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 9,307 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Soak in fresh acetone and wash thoroughly for one more 24 hour period....

    I think it will grade. >>



    Thanks, I think that's exactly what I'll do. No way I'm messing with dipping it.
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    guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,308 ✭✭✭
    super nice coin. Soak it 1 more time overnight in acetone, then a quick wash in fresh acetone and send that buggar in to be slabbed.

    I think MS63/63+/or 64 is not out of the question.
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    BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would have been very happy to buy this for AU58 money. If it grades (and I think it might), you'll have done very nicely. I always wonder why the guy would sell it to me instead of sending it in himself though.

    I'm curious, what were people at the show complaining about? There are a few potential issues that are much easier to see in-hand than in a photo.
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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,186 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm curious, what were people at the show complaining about? >>


    I know the question is directed at the OP, but I'm guessing the real complaint was that they didn't get a shot to buy it, or that it came from someone else's inventory.

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    MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 9,307 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I would have been very happy to buy this for AU58 money. If it grades (and I think it might), you'll have done very nicely. I always wonder why the guy would sell it to me instead of sending it in himself though.

    I'm curious, what were people at the show complaining about? There are a few potential issues that are much easier to see in-hand than in a photo. >>



    Well, the day I purchased it a few other dealers had passed on it. Like I said, it had a visible green haze both front & back.
    After I bought it and showed it to a couple friends they were convinced the PVC would not remove. I didn't know for sure if it would or would not.
    I began to believe they were correct and I just had a $300 "lesson".

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    georgiacop50georgiacop50 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭✭
    ms64 all day long (assuming you are sucessful with removing any PVC)

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