So... educate me about ATB pucks, please.

lordmarcovan · February 1, 2012 1:09PM

I've never actually seen one.

I have a Gettysburg coming in a swap. I am told it is "the non mint marked bullion version". What are the versions?

I've read a little in the Redbook but still don't know too much.

I see the back of the Redbook has a coupon for a free National Park quarters folder. Think I'll do that, though I don't see that many in circulation yet. Just a few. It will be fun to have another cheapo folder collection I can keep in my briefcase and fill exclusively with what I can buy out of the till at work. As a matter of fact, I've been thinking of doing a Jefferson set from circulation, too. (And just from circulation- no buying, no trading).

But I digress. Tell me about yon pucky things. I don't stay as abreast of modern issues as I should.

MsMorrisine · February 1, 2012 1:54PM

if holed and worn around the neck, you'll look like flava-flav

bullion - finishes are MS / MS PL / MS DMPL

mint marked ones should only have 1 finish, matte, but many have been found with incomplete bead blasting and look halfway between MS and the matte. these go for a premium.

MS69DMPLs, SP70 and the SP with light matte finishes carry a premium over melt.

That is all.

lordmarcovan · February 1, 2012 2:12PM

<< if holed and worn around the neck, you'll look like flava-flav >>

I've already got more wearable "bling" than twenty of your average folks, thankyouverymuch.

Bochiman · February 1, 2012 2:16PM

Just to add to what MsM says...

The non-mintmark is available outside the mint just like the bullion SAEs are.
The "P" mintmarked are only available from the mint (until they hit the 2ndary market of reselling)

So, the first one is spot+$x at whatever the reseller wants and the 2nd one is initially the mint's pricing markup ($204.95 I think for the current ones....was $279.95 for the previous at one point).

lordmarcovan · February 1, 2012 2:18PM

Cool. Thanks, y'all.

I'll be perfectly content to get spot for mine, when it comes.

lordmarcovan · February 1, 2012 2:23PM

So the non-mintmarked bullion ones are still a Mint product, right?

Not that it matters much. For what I swapped to get this five ounces of silver, I'm coming out so good that it could be a molten blob of metal. Or an Auschwitz The Beautiful medal. Or a colorized nude Justin Bieber puck. Doesn't matter to me. That's a lot of bullion for what I swapped.

Too bad my "Paperclip" swapping project on the Swap & Giveaway forum hasn't gone this well, though it's doing OK (stalled at the moment).

With this puck I'm getting, I've gone from zero investment to five ounces of silver (and some other stuff) just in one fortuitous trade... all in less than 36 hours. Of course now I do owe somebody a kickback, for being so generous.

Bochiman · February 1, 2012 2:37PM

Equate the non-mintmarked bullion version to that of bullion SAEs.
Still a mint product, but not available directly from the mint to us normal folks.

PerryHall · February 1, 2012 4:49PM

<< Equate the non-mintmarked bullion version to that of bullion SAEs.
Still a mint product, but not available directly from the mint to us normal folks. >>

Equate the P mintmarked version to the Proof ASE's except they look like matte proofs rather than brillant proofs.

derryb · February 1, 2012 4:52PM

round bars with US Mint stamp of approval

Draped10c · February 1, 2012 9:55PM

Small frizbie like objects.

OPA · February 1, 2012 10:17PM

<< Small frizbie like objects. >>

aka: "pucks"

TwoSides2aCoin · February 1, 2012 10:28PM

I like the fact that these things are huge and I don't need a loupe to see them. Now I need to hire a weight lifter to see them.

The rest of the story is in PM. (no pun intended)

pmac · February 1, 2012 10:46PM

If you collect enough of them, you can really impress your friends by using them as silver coasters.

ModernCoin · February 1, 2012 11:01PM

>>>>educate me about ATB pucks, please.

I'll raise my hand and admit I'm one of maybe 50 people on the planet who actually likes the them

. I'm thrilled with the fact people hate them as I can now buy most for not much more than spot

. It's hard to imagine that people 30 years from now will be seeking these out, but if purchased within a few dollars of spot they're simply a stacking play and if they're ever worth more down the road, great! Collector habits and tastes are always evolving so if you're a stacker on any level it makes sense to buy ATBs every chance you get if the price is right.

FWIW, the mintage on the bullion coins was in free-fall last year so we may end up with a sub-10,000 puck soon enough...

lordmarcovan · February 1, 2012 11:06PM

Yeah, if they trade close enough to spot, what's not to like? Seems a cool way to own a bit of bullion, I would think.

My late uncle, who was quite the bullion hoarder, would probably have loved them.

pf70collector · February 2, 2012 2:36AM

So will these be shunned by the APs? Are they as liquid as the ASEs? These fell fast as far as mintage totals for 2011s. Maybe less offered in PCGS FS DMPL 69 by dealers or the APs for the 2012s which I collect. We shall see.

lordmarcovan · February 2, 2012 2:38AM

<< So will these be shunned by the APs? >>

The Associated Press?

Dunno. They might like silver as much as anyone, but not as much as us coin geeks.

derryb · February 2, 2012 2:40AM

<< So will these be shunned by the APs? Are they as liquid as the ASEs? These fell fast as far as mintage totals for 2011s. Maybe less offered in PCGS FS DMPL 69 by dealers or the APs for the 2012s which I collect. We shall see. >>

Premiums vs. ASEs on the bullion versions will determine their future success. They will have to remain competitive (lower) with ASE bullion buyers, the collector base will not provide enough demand.

pf70collector · February 2, 2012 2:42AM

Authorized Purchasers from the U.S. Mint.

lordmarcovan · February 2, 2012 3:09AM

Aha. There's another acronym that should be added to the Forum Lingo Dictionary.

Sonorandesertrat · February 2, 2012 3:17AM

<< If you collect enough of them, you can really impress your friends by using them as silver coasters. >>

I dunno. Have you ever spent time polishing silverware? I did, when I was a kid (part of my chores). Not fun.
I suppose that you could always spray-paint them with clear acrylic or lacquer.

GOWYO · February 2, 2012 3:33AM

<< 

<< If you collect enough of them, you can really impress your friends by using them as silver coasters. >>

I dunno. Have you ever spent time polishing silverware? I did, when I was a kid (part of my chores). Not fun.
I suppose that you could always spray-paint them with clear acrylic or lacquer.

>>

Don't these come in a air tight capsule like the ASEs? If so couldn't u just leave them in the capsule and not have to worry??

Sonorandesertrat · February 2, 2012 3:37AM

Using silver-coaster service encapsulated in plastic holders? What would Mrs. Norweb think? That's a no-no.

ModernCoin · February 2, 2012 4:03AM

<< So will these be shunned by the APs? >>

I don't know if Gainsvillecoin is an AP or not, but they stopped ordering new ATBs last year. It wouldn't surprise me to see other large dealers discontinue carrying them as well.

Fountainhead · February 2, 2012 4:08AM

<< If you collect enough of them, you can really impress your friends by using them as silver coasters. >>

Yes, a dealer told me a tale once of 10oz silver Kookooburras he sold to be used (encapsulated) as coasters in bars in Las Vegas or the West Coast. But silver was under $5/ounce then.

M · February 2, 2012 4:17AM

<< 

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<< If you collect enough of them, you can really impress your friends by using them as silver coasters. >>

I dunno. Have you ever spent time polishing silverware? I did, when I was a kid (part of my chores). Not fun.
I suppose that you could always spray-paint them with clear acrylic or lacquer.

>>

Don't these come in a air tight capsule like the ASEs? If so couldn't u just leave them in the capsule and not have to worry?? >>

Not necessarily, these come in a tube:

MintDirect® 2011 5 oz Silver ATB Chickasaw, OK (10-Coin Tube)

MintDirect® Sealed Guarantee!
MintDirect® America the Beautiful 5 oz Silver coin honors the natural Chickasaw National Recreati... view more

Average Rating

Availability: Now

Qty Check or Wire Credit Card
Any Qty $1,942.50 $2,000.78
Volume Pricing:
Qty Check or Wire Credit Card
1 - 2 $1,942.50 $2,000.78
3 - 9 $1,917.50 $1,975.03
10 or more $1,892.50 $1,949.28

ModernCoin · February 2, 2012 4:18AM

<< Don't these come in a air tight capsule like the ASEs? If so couldn't u just leave them in the capsule and not have to worry?? >>

Only the satin/vapor blast finish "P" pucks come in a capsule. The regular bullion issues ship in tubes inside ATB monster boxes.

derryb · February 2, 2012 4:27AM

<< 

<< Don't these come in a air tight capsule like the ASEs? If so couldn't u just leave them in the capsule and not have to worry?? >>

Only the satin/vapor blast finish "P" pucks come in a capsule. The regular bullion issues ship in tubes inside ATB monster boxes. >>

The P puck is the collector version purchased directly from the US Mint. Bullion versions sold only through third party dealers.

M · February 2, 2012 4:29AM

<< 

<< Don't these come in a air tight capsule like the ASEs? If so couldn't u just leave them in the capsule and not have to worry?? >>

Only the satin/vapor blast finish "P" pucks come in a capsule. The regular bullion issues ship in tubes inside ATB monster boxes. >>

I never actually bought a tube, just individual bullion coins. Some came in the air tites, some came in flips and some came in bubble wrap, depending on who was selling. Apmex come in air tites I think.

Bochiman · February 2, 2012 4:33AM

<< 

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<< Don't these come in a air tight capsule like the ASEs? If so couldn't u just leave them in the capsule and not have to worry?? >>

Only the satin/vapor blast finish "P" pucks come in a capsule. The regular bullion issues ship in tubes inside ATB monster boxes. >>

I never actually bought a tube, just individual bullion coins. Some came in the air tites, some came in flips and some came in bubble wrap, depending on who was selling. Apmex come in air tites I think. >>

And, that's the choice that the 3rd party (AP or downline dealer) makes as to how they want to store/ship it.
They do come in tubes, just like the SAEs. At my local B&M, I was able to choose from their tubes. Bad thing was that they didn't have any air-tites or other holders. Good news was, I bought it for fun bullion for my son and didn't care that much.

M · February 2, 2012 4:37AM

<< 

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<< Don't these come in a air tight capsule like the ASEs? If so couldn't u just leave them in the capsule and not have to worry?? >>

Only the satin/vapor blast finish "P" pucks come in a capsule. The regular bullion issues ship in tubes inside ATB monster boxes. >>

I never actually bought a tube, just individual bullion coins. Some came in the air tites, some came in flips and some came in bubble wrap, depending on who was selling. Apmex come in air tites I think. >>

And, that's the choice that the 3rd party (AP or downline dealer) makes as to how they want to store/ship it.
They do come in tubes, just like the SAEs. At my local B&M, I was able to choose from their tubes. Bad thing was that they didn't have any air-tites or other holders. Good news was, I bought it for fun bullion for my son and didn't care that much. >>

You're lucky because it's luck of the draw on condition from these AP/dealers...

lordmarcovan · February 2, 2012 4:39AM

It's my understanding that the one I am getting, though an unmintmarked bullion version, will be in some sort of snap-lock plastic holder.

derryb · February 2, 2012 4:43AM

<< Not necessarily, these come in a tube:
MintDirect® 2011 5 oz Silver ATB Chickasaw, OK (10-Coin Tube)

MintDirect® Sealed Guarantee!
MintDirect® America the Beautiful 5 oz Silver coin honors the natural Chickasaw National Recreati... view more

Average Rating

Availability: Now

Qty Check or Wire Credit Card
Any Qty $1,942.50 $2,000.78
Volume Pricing:
Qty Check or Wire Credit Card
1 - 2 $1,942.50 $2,000.78
3 - 9 $1,917.50 $1,975.03
10 or more $1,892.50 $1,949.28 >>

Valley coin has them cheaper and any quantity under 10 come in capsules. They also sell a Y65 airtite for $1.25 that I believe fits the ATB but you should contact them first to confirm that. I use Valley for all of my direct fit airtite purchase. The pucks may be cheaper elsewhere and if buying 500 oz., tulving.com is your best bet.

M · February 2, 2012 4:47AM

<< It's my understanding that the one I am getting, though an unmintmarked bullion version, will be in some sort of snap-lock plastic holder. >>

Be prepared when you open it to either be amused or in awe of the thing, or a bit of both!

GOWYO · February 2, 2012 4:47AM

Could someone explain why an ATB in an air tight would not work as a coaster? Id like to hear why not. Thanks

ModernCoin · February 2, 2012 5:29AM

<< Could someone explain why an ATB in an air tight would not work as a coaster? Id like to hear why not. Thanks >>

I'm not being facetious, but I just have to ask...Is that a real question?

pmac · February 2, 2012 5:44AM

<< 

<< Could someone explain why an ATB in an air tight would not work as a coaster? Id like to hear why not. Thanks >>

I'm not being facetious, but I just have to ask...Is that a real question?

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The Astors, Vanderbilts, etc. has problems where their guests would filtch the silverware. I'm sure these would become modern objects of desire.

RichR · February 2, 2012 5:53AM

ATB Pucks are like The Lord of The Rings...many otherwise sane men went berzerk to acquire them and once they had them in hand, they couldn't get rid of them!!!

They're evil, I say...PURE EVIL!

lordmarcovan · February 2, 2012 6:01AM

I think I have the power. To resist the "My Precioussssss" impulse, that is.

I know I'll be dazzled by its beauty and impressed by its heft, but it's still a lump of silver to me. I'm more into stuff with a bit more history.

I do enjoy dabbling with the odd piece of modern bling now and again, though, so though I have little intention to hang onto this for the long term (like I would if I had deeper pockets and could afford to hoard more bullion), I will enjoy owning it for a short time.

1tommy · February 2, 2012 7:18AM

<< I think I have the power. To resist the "My Precioussssss" impulse, that is.

I know I'll be dazzled by its beauty and impressed by its heft, but it's still a lump of silver to me. I'm more into stuff with a bit more history.

I do enjoy dabbling with the odd piece of modern bling now and again, though, so though I have little intention to hang onto this for the long term (like I would if I had deeper pockets and could afford to hoard more bullion), I will enjoy owning it for a short time. >>

You need to check out the pictures in this thread page 2 vicksburg and also a picture of hawaii one coming up. The detail on some of these are just incredible. Enjoy

picture of vicksburg and hawaii Oh yeah I am hooked on a few of these.........

Cakes · February 2, 2012 7:22AM

<< ATB Pucks are like The Lord of The Rings...many otherwise sane men went berzerk to acquire them and once they had them in hand, they couldn't get rid of them!!!

They're evil, I say...PURE EVIL! >>

That is great. On the radio today a lady called in and said when Raven's LB Terrell Suggs takes off his helmet he looks like a monster from the Lord of the rings......lol

66Tbird · February 2, 2012 9:03AM

<< Or a colorized nude Justin Bieber puck >>

That totally killed any puck buzz I ever had going. It's now all difficult to store bullion for me

lordmarcovan · February 2, 2012 9:08AM

Great lookin' avatar, there, 66Tbird.

Looks astonishly familiar, somehow. Hmm...

So... you still got it?

(Edit to add- lookin' at my old avatar pic of that, I wonder if it isn't a CAM contender. If memory serves, PCGS didn't do the CAM designation for PR 2c pieces when I owned that. I seem to recall the reverse not being as CAMmy, though?)

lordmarcovan · February 3, 2012 4:33AM

It's heeeere.

Haven't opened it yet.

The small Flat Rate Priority box has some nice heft to it.

jmski52 · February 3, 2012 8:19AM

Come'on, Lord M. I want to know what you think of these things!

lordmarcovan · February 3, 2012 8:37AM

Well, it's... awesome, of course.

The obverse (Washington) side looks like a shinier version of some of those big novelty quarters, so I can see where the "coaster" comparison comes into play. The reverse is really cool.

I'm not a convert to collecting them or anything, but I like it.

And the fact that I basically got it for FREE (along with a bunch of other cool stuff) makes it all the sweeter.

Thank you again, Ahrensdad (who gave me the gift I swapped for this), and GBurger717 (who got crazy passionate about the piece I got from Ahrensdad and traded me the puck and WAY too much other cool stuff). I owe y'all both. This will definitely go down as a fond memory.

So... educate me about ATB pucks, please.

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