ONE EAGLE'S PROFESSIONAL PICTURES ADDED:Local Coin Show finds today - 23 Rainbow Toned Raw ASEs - (c

uofa1285 · January 15, 2012 7:44AM

Local Coin Show finds today - 23 Rainbow Toned Raw ASEs - (cell phone pics - ugh)

braddick · January 15, 2012 7:55AM

I see some winners there!

dragon · January 15, 2012 7:55AM

If those SE's were offered to me, I'd expect a $1.00 or more discount per coin to the white coin price.

uofa1285 · January 15, 2012 7:57AM

<< If those SE's were offered to me, I'd expect a $1.00 or more discount per coin to the white coin price. >>

Sadly, I paid $10 above spot for the lot...oh well...win some, lose some.

TwoKopeiki · January 15, 2012 8:28AM

Shake and bake.

uofa1285 · January 15, 2012 8:31AM

<< Shake and bake. >>

aww man! I'm going to run back up to the show and see if I can get a refund. I knew I shouldn't have pulled the trigger. Thanks for the feedback.

braddick · January 15, 2012 8:37AM

<< 

<< Shake and bake. >>

aww man! I'm going to run back up to the show and see if I can get a refund. I knew I shouldn't have pulled the trigger. Thanks for the feedback.

>>

I hope you're joking. There are some sweet looking toners in that group. Some are questionable, to be sure- but I'm looking at a few that look like winners.

NPD1078 · January 15, 2012 10:11AM

I agree there are some are questionable, to be sure... it looks like the coin sets next to the ASE's have toning on them as well??

uofa1285 · January 15, 2012 11:11AM

<< I agree there are some are questionable, to be sure... it looks like the coin sets next to the ASE's have toning on them as well?? >>

Yes,4 sets with nice mint set toning on 1964 coins. Target toned rainbows.

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Bochiman · January 15, 2012 11:28AM

<< yawn >>

I feel the same way about die varities on half dimes and dimes, but I don't go make it a point to post a "yawn" in threads about them.

For the OP....there are some that look interesting and may pan out well.
Most don't look like $10 above spot was that great, but, with any rise in silver, you can be bailed out

3 I see that would be interesting to view with better photos, would be (in the 1st photo):
bottom row, 3rd and 4th from left.
3rd row, 2nd and 3rd (maybe add 4th) from left.

Not sure which ones braddick was thinking about

stealer · January 15, 2012 11:37AM

IMHO some look baked. The toning is just too dark on some of them.

uofa1285 · January 15, 2012 11:40AM

<< 

<< yawn >>

I feel the same way about die varities on half dimes and dimes, but I don't go make it a point to post a "yawn" in threads about them.

For the OP....there are some that look interesting and may pan out well.
Most don't look like $10 above spot was that great, but, with any rise in silver, you can be bailed out

3 I see that would be interesting to view with better photos, would be (in the 1st photo):
bottom row, 3rd and 4th from left.
3rd row, 2nd and 3rd (maybe add 4th) from left.

Not sure which ones braddick was thinking about

>>

Thanks. I will post professional pics in the next week or so.

coinsarefun · January 15, 2012 11:58AM

Nice pickup!
Would love to see some better images
of the ones you think are the nicest

braddick · January 15, 2012 1:22PM

<< yawn >>

If yawns were commas your sigline is missing two of them.

AnkurJ · January 15, 2012 2:00PM

<< 

<< yawn >>

I feel the same way about die varities on half dimes and dimes, but I don't go make it a point to post a "yawn" in threads about them.

<< 

BWAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHA!

I seriously laughed out loud at this one!

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uofa1285 · January 15, 2012 3:52PM

<< Nice pickup!
Would love to see some better images
of the ones you think are the nicest >>

Thanks and will do! Stayed tuned. Lol. Doug

uofa1285 · January 15, 2012 3:56PM

<< $10 over spot, EACH?

Thought you meant ten over on the total.

You know, it's really pretty easy to make those yourself, if you want those colors.

You'd save a lot of $$ that way. >>

Thanks for our comment! But no, I would rather buy them naturally toned, as these are. If you've seen as many NT toned ASEs as I have over the years (which you may have!), you know what these .999 silver bullion coins can do when stored in plastic, paper, envelopes, albums, etc. These are the real deals. I am excited to post the good pics when finished.

TwoKopeiki · January 15, 2012 11:30PM

You are entitled to your opinion, as I am entitled to mine. I have studied toning quite extensively, since in my collecting area toning is one of the last things that Chinese are not able to completely fake, yet. I have seen effects of sulfur, bleach, heat, anodizing, etc... To my eye, based on the quality of images posted, there are at least 6 coins with toning that can be easily re-created.

uofa1285 · January 16, 2012 5:42AM

<< You are entitled to your opinion, as I am entitled to mine. I have studied toning quite extensively, since in my collecting area toning is one of the last things that Chinese are not able to completely fake, yet. I have seen effects of sulfur, bleach, heat, anodizing, etc... To my eye, based on the quality of images posted, there are at least 6 coins with toning that can be easily re-created. >>

Then you know some of those very items on your list can be inadvertantly/accidentally subjected to a coin and result in "natural" and "market acceptible" toning. Hence, you and I are not really disagreeing.

uofa1285 · January 19, 2012 4:15PM

Just got home from work but I wanted to post is one of the coins better pics...all thoughts welcome!

ricko · January 19, 2012 9:59PM

I am not sure where you draw the line between NT and AT, and, frankly, that is your prerogative. I will say that I have many, many silver eagles, some in albums, some loose, some in mint boxes. I have had these, stored in my safe and coin cabinet for years and years. None have tarnished like those ASE's. That is 'assisted tarnishing', whether it be by heat or chemicals or arranged environment, it did not occur without intention. Cheers, RickO

magikbilly · January 19, 2012 10:05PM

Those were supposedly all stored together? These came from a single source? Apart from the look of some of them, I am not used to seeing such a wide spread of tone patterns and colors like that in such a tight group. Not naturally anyway. It almost looks like a collection put together for education.

Eric

coinsarefun · January 20, 2012 1:12AM

I noticed the first time you posted these that some all were stored in the plastic capsules.
Some had black foam around the coin, some plain

The one that you imaged.......was it in one of the plastic capsules with the black foam ring around it?

I am going to guess, as I have seen many of these in dealers cases, some are stored
In after market plastic cardboard and then they remove them and place it it the capsules
without the black ring. The more wild and toning pattern that is tight and close to the
edge of the coin usually were stored in the capsules with the black foam ring. Also in PCI
holders.

IMO the one imaged is NT but it doesn't mean it will slab

Until people start understanding that .999 silver toned much differently and quicker than
Morgan's toned ASE's will always be questionable and not appreciated......
......but it's only my two cents.

beartracks42 · January 20, 2012 1:23AM

That eagle is one for the sniffer. If the sniffer passes it, then PCGS will slab it.

magikbilly · January 20, 2012 1:27AM

Hi

I am aware of .999 vs. .900, but I am speaking to the spread of patterns and appearances shown. There is this, there is that. Lots of the different looks. Rim tone, crescent (Whats with that? They were in holders long term, or not?), the various colors - all represented and "nicely" - questionable out of a tight group like that, IMHO.

Best wishes,
Eric

ricko · January 20, 2012 1:50AM

Many forms of AT will pass the sniffer... that is not an issue. Cheers, RickO

uofa1285 · January 20, 2012 2:10AM

<< I noticed the first time you posted these that some all were stored in the plastic capsules.
Some had black foam around the coin, some plain

The one that you imaged.......was it in one of the plastic capsules with the black foam ring around it?

I am going to guess, as I have seen many of these in dealers cases, some are stored
In after market plastic cardboard and then they remove them and place it it the capsules
without the black ring. The more wild and toning pattern that is tight and close to the
edge of the coin usually were stored in the capsules with the black foam ring. Also in PCI
holders.

IMO the one imaged is NT but it doesn't mean it will slab

Until people start understanding that .999 silver toned much differently and quicker than
Morgan's toned ASE's will always be questionable and not appreciated......
......but it's only my two cents. >>

Exactly. I did mention was I bought these at a coin show. From a dealer's case. He told me he put them in these holders after collecting them himself (he likes toned Eagles) from different sellers all year long. He had another 100 or so I passed on for one reason or another.

coinsarefun · January 20, 2012 2:18AM

<< Hi

I am aware of .999 vs. .900, but I am speaking to the spread of patterns and appearances shown. There is this, there is that. Lots of the different looks. Rim tone, crescent (Whats with that? They were in holders long term, or not?), the various colors - all represented and "nicely" - questionable out of a tight group like that, IMHO.

Best wishes,
Eric >>

I think you are asking why there are so many different toning patterns such as crescent, rim and full coin toning?
If this is what your asking then it is just like Morgans, they don't tone all the same way.
It depends how it was stored, just like the ASE's

Here are a few different toning patterns

After market holder

PCI holder

Clear plastic capsule with black foam ring.

After market holder " birth year"

This one is a graded proof in an old ANACS holder

Still in the PCI slab

After market holder

One of those blue plastic slabs, I forget the name

This one was in a capsule with a foam black ring, beautiful but not sure if it will slab

In the original mint box, no capsule

There are my examples, I hope this helps

coinsarefun · January 20, 2012 2:23AM

<< Exactly. I did mention was I bought these at a coin show. From a dealer's case. He told me he put them in these holders after collecting them himself (he likes toned Eagles) from different sellers all year long. He had another 100 or so I passed on for one reason or another.

>>

Ya some , just like Morgan tone butt ugly

Not all Morgan toners are winners, there are more than enough beyond ugly toners but are more excepted by
the collector community because they feel it's old toning.

uofa1285 · January 20, 2012 2:56AM

<< 

<< Exactly. I did mention was I bought these at a coin show. From a dealer's case. He told me he put them in these holders after collecting them himself (he likes toned Eagles) from different sellers all year long. He had another 100 or so I passed on for one reason or another.

>>

Ya some , just like Morgan tone butt ugly

Not all Morgan toners are winners, there are more than enough beyond ugly toners but are more excepted by
the collector community because they feel it's old toning. >>

Your ASEs are Awesome! Congrats on a beautiful showing.

ONE EAGLE'S PROFESSIONAL PICTURES ADDED:Local Coin Show finds today - 23 Rainbow Toned Raw ASEs - (c

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