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MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,614 ✭✭✭✭✭
- Consistently sell nice coins at all price points.
- Have high quality images of the coins they have for sale.
- Are recognized experts.
- Will provide generous amounts of advice and assistance at no charge.
- Offer good value for trades.
- Regularly buy back coins they’ve sold – at a fair price.
- Have sent me more money after a trade deal was completed because they determined they didn’t give me enough for one of my coins.
- Often identify coins that have a good chance to upgrade and pass that information on to the collector rather than upgrade the coins themselves.


They're not all bad, ya know.

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    AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,375 ✭✭✭✭
    I agree, but they are far and few. I deal with one on a regular basis who fits all the characterisitcs you mentioned.
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    stealerstealer Posts: 4,039 ✭✭✭✭
    Out them! image

    But really, why don't you let us know so WE can indulge.
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    MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,614 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Out them! image

    But really, why don't you let us know so WE can indulge. >>


    No! It's my little secret.

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    LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    BigMooseBigMoose Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭
    Sounds like the guys at CRO.
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,374 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>- Consistently sell nice coins at all price points.
    - Have high quality images of the coins they have for sale.
    - Are recognized experts.
    - Will provide generous amounts of advice and assistance at no charge.
    - Offer good value for trades.
    - Regularly buy back coins they’ve sold – at a fair price.
    - Have sent me more money after a trade deal was completed because they determined they didn’t give me enough for one of my coins.
    - Often identify coins that have a good chance to upgrade and pass that information on to the collector rather than upgrade the coins themselves.


    They're not all bad, ya know. >>




    Definitely. And those guys are in the top 5-10% of all dealers. It often takes years of working with one to find that out however.
    Most collectors have to deal with the other 90%....even though many think they have one of those top 10% guys.

    roadrunner
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    Glad to hear that there are nice dealers out there!

    However, I find that when someone sends you a check because they made too much money on something is often because the dealer was not knowledgeable or because they ripped your eyeballs out too much in the first place...
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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 6,031 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Question:

    On the "Regularly Buy Back Coins That They've Sold -
    At a Fair Price"

    Is buying back a coin from a customer, who purchased
    over 6 months prior, for 17% less, considered a fair
    price to those of you posting here?

    It's not a bullion coin, it's a fairly rare error coin.......


    Just wondering, as I had a situation just two weeks
    ago that, although I feel I did the right thing, left the
    buyer upset at me.

    (I might post more details, but given the above info,
    was I fair to offer 17% Less than I sold it for, over
    six months prior, and in a weaker market?)
    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
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    guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,308 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Question:

    On the "Regularly Buy Back Coins That They've Sold -
    At a Fair Price"

    Is buying back a coin from a customer, who purchased
    over 6 months prior, for 17% less, considered a fair
    price to those of you posting here?

    It's not a bullion coin, it's a fairly rare error coin.......


    Just wondering, as I had a situation just two weeks
    ago that, although I feel I did the right thing, left the
    buyer upset at me.

    (I might post more details, but given the above info,
    was I fair to offer 17% Less than I sold it for, over
    six months prior, and in a weaker market?) >>




    If 17% back was a fair price in this market, then yes. A seller who can't see that needs educating or is greedy.

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    << <i>No! It's my little secret. >>




    So that is how you reward good customer service, by keeping it to yourself. I am quite certain based on all the characteristics that you just described about your dealer, he/she sure wouldn't appreciate you not passing on their name. Just a thought.
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    SaorAlbaSaorAlba Posts: 7,593 ✭✭✭✭✭
    We count a few of those lofty ideals amongst our members here. I have had my own dealings with several of them and have always been most pleased.

    BTW a 17% hit on a coin purchased six months ago is not bad, coin dealers are in business to make money, not rescue insolvent European governments and mortgage bankers.
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    CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,656 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>
    Is buying back a coin from a customer, who purchased
    over 6 months prior, for 17% less, considered a fair
    price to those of you posting here?

    It's not a bullion coin, it's a fairly rare error coin.......
    >>



    Sounds reasonable to me. If the customer thinks the coin is so great, let them auction it.
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    derrybderryb Posts: 38,586 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Question:

    On the "Regularly Buy Back Coins That They've Sold -
    At a Fair Price"

    Is buying back a coin from a customer, who purchased
    over 6 months prior, for 17% less, considered a fair
    price to those of you posting here?

    It's not a bullion coin, it's a fairly rare error coin.......


    Just wondering, as I had a situation just two weeks
    ago that, although I feel I did the right thing, left the
    buyer upset at me.

    (I might post more details, but given the above info,
    was I fair to offer 17% Less than I sold it for, over
    six months prior, and in a weaker market?) >>


    I expect a dealer to pay less for a coin that he sells. Wholesale vs. Retail. Why would this case be any different.

    Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. - Bastiat

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    shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    17% sounds fair unless the market has moved up a lot. I was always told that you have to EXPECT to hold a coin 5 years to get your money back on a full retail purchase.
    ANA-LM, NBS, EAC
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    IrishMikeyIrishMikey Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Question:

    On the "Regularly Buy Back Coins That They've Sold -
    At a Fair Price"

    Is buying back a coin from a customer, who purchased
    over 6 months prior, for 17% less, considered a fair
    price to those of you posting here?

    It's not a bullion coin, it's a fairly rare error coin.......


    Just wondering, as I had a situation just two weeks
    ago that, although I feel I did the right thing, left the
    buyer upset at me.

    (I might post more details, but given the above info,
    was I fair to offer 17% Less than I sold it for, over
    six months prior, and in a weaker market?) >>


    Fred, all I need to know about that deal was that you were involved. While your
    customer might have been disappointed, I know that your offer was fair. There
    are just some individuals in the rare coin market that are above reproach, and you
    are one of them.
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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 6,031 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the kind words.

    I won't disclose the actual coin,
    as some members here might
    then be able to figure out who
    the collector is (I don't believe
    he's a member of the forum).

    This collector called me on occasion
    for about two years prior, asking
    me questions about his series; I
    was always friendly, spent much
    more time than normal on the phone
    answering his questions, and was
    glad to be helpful.

    Earlier this year, he found a coin
    on my website that interested him;
    he asked questions, asked for my
    best price (which I discounted a
    pretty good amount, as I figured
    he really wanted it for his collection).

    We talked about the coin for at least
    a week or two, as I recall. I finally
    gave him my best price, shipped the
    coin to him at his agreement on the price.

    He kept the coin for almost a full month;
    when I contacted him at that point, I
    said "you're welcome to return it, but it's
    been almost 30 days, so I'd like to know
    if you're going to keep it or not - no problem".

    He paid within 10 days or so.

    Then, two weeks ago, he said the coin
    'Didn't fit in his collection". I offered him
    about 20% less than he paid when he
    said he didn't want it any more. His reply
    was that he wanted 10% less than what
    he paid....and I said 'you're welcome to ask
    whatever you want for the coin - more or
    less than you paid for it' - but my offer, which
    I raised a bit the next day in an email, was
    exactly 17% less than he paid for it over
    6 months earlier, after negotiating my very
    best price, and having the coin in-hand for
    about a month, before making a final decision
    to keep it.

    I felt my offer was fair - I haven't heard back
    from him regarding my offer of 17% less -
    and I assume he's not happy with me.

    Frankly, given the circumstances, I feel fine.
    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
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    OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Question:

    On the "Regularly Buy Back Coins That They've Sold -
    At a Fair Price"

    Is buying back a coin from a customer, who purchased
    over 6 months prior, for 17% less, considered a fair
    price to those of you posting here?

    It's not a bullion coin, it's a fairly rare error coin.......


    Just wondering, as I had a situation just two weeks
    ago that, although I feel I did the right thing, left the
    buyer upset at me.

    (I might post more details, but given the above info,
    was I fair to offer 17% Less than I sold it for, over
    six months prior, and in a weaker market?) >>



    Sounds very fair

    Steve
    Promote the Hobby
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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Is buying back a coin from a customer, who purchased
    over 6 months prior, for 17% less, considered a fair
    price to those of you posting here? >>



    FredWeinberg, Yes as after we negotiate a 15% discount, sure your entitled to make 2%! imageimageimage
    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
    17% seems fair to me. Shoot, Fred could have said "No, I'd rather not buy it back."

    Often I am happy with a bit more in credit. That could have made the return feel more generous.
    Lance.
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    erwindocerwindoc Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have worked with a couple recently and I have been very impressed by their service!
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    << <i>- Consistently sell nice coins at all price points.
    - Have high quality images of the coins they have for sale.
    - Are recognized experts.
    - Will provide generous amounts of advice and assistance at no charge.
    - Offer good value for trades.
    - Regularly buy back coins they’ve sold – at a fair price.
    - Have sent me more money after a trade deal was completed because they determined they didn’t give me enough for one of my coins.
    - Often identify coins that have a good chance to upgrade and pass that information on to the collector rather than upgrade the coins themselves.


    They're not all bad, ya know. >>

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    Find a few you like and stick with them.
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    SoCalBigMarkSoCalBigMark Posts: 2,848 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The big test is selling back to them.
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    uofa1285uofa1285 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭
    Using strictly percentages for s.t. buybacks only makes sense if the percentages are tied to price ranges.

    In most circumstances, 17% of a $500 coin sold is a much more palable outcome for the buyer than 17% of a $50,000 coin sold.

    Then again, I could be wrong or have missed more salient points in the conversation thereby making my logic look off the reservation! lol.

    edited immediately for grammarrrrrr.
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    Name some of these dealers guys!!image
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    LucanusLucanus Posts: 424 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Name some of these dealers guys!!image >>



    Brian Greer would be one dealer that meets the listed standards, I highly recommend him!

    Doug
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are excellent dealers out there... just takes some time to identify them. However, it is a business, we must always remember that, and as such, differs from a charity. Fred... that was an excellent buy back price..... many collectors do not differentiate between a return and a buyback. Cheers, RickO
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    I think you acted fairly, Fred. If a customer has bought a coin and kept it for months, he certainly shouldn't expect the dealer to buy the coin back without a reasonable discount (which yours is) being applied to the coin.
    www.sullivannumismatics.com Dealer in Mint Error Coins.

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