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SeaEagleCoins · October 23, 2010 1:40PM

I made the following post in this thread...

wilskyy thread

Long sad story... the wilskyy tale... as my detective work has unraveled it... I "think" that first "he" came on board as this guy ... and burned me on a 1 oz Gold Piece... got my money back though thru PP... the guy who burned me disappeared right after he got my payment and then this wilskyy guy showed up..

I saw a red flag... same posting pattern and all... I was strongly advised not to butt in by someone here whom I can not mention...

I did heed that persons advice... unfortunately...

then when this thread we are in now showed up (edited to add...the wilskyy thread), I truly regretted not intervening... but heck, what if I was wrong?...

now... there is another seller on the BST... same damn pattern of posts... same type of posts... with another 1 oz gold piece...

check it out... it is on there now... not sure which page at this point but I think I saw it over the last 48 hrs on page one...

This time when I saw someone post to the new BST thread... I intervened and warned the potential "buyer"... who thanked me and backed off...

check the timing of when each of these posters signed on to the forums...one after the other... do a search and view their posting styles and patterns... they scream ALT... at least to me...

As I told the potential buyer of the new listing... this new one MIGHT not be the same guy... but i figure that when it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck... etc...

Do your own research, if you care to... it'll take a while... but very eye opening... and for me, very educational...

Word of advice to all... when dealing on the BST... if someone is new, that is not, in and of itself, a red flag... we were all new once...

But check their posting history... see if they "seem" legit to you... and get as much info as you can from the person BEFORE sending them money... communicate fully and clearly to ensure that both parties are "on the same page"... otherwise, you just might be setting yourself up for a hassle or worse...

Even an ongoing positive track record with someone can turn bad... as happened to me and others here a few years ago...

Overall, I find the BST great... but we all need to not get too overconfidant that just because it is listed on the BST it is legit... most listings and posters are... but not all ...

Please just be careful...

'nuff said

edited to add these links to help you research if you wish... you can find the "other new thread" on the BST rather easily... check that poster's history out, as well...

Edited once again to say... unfortunatley, these links do not seem to work... I do not know why... what I attempted to link was the user's posting history. I used the search feature at the top of the page... I entered the user's name and then chose a date range... in this case From 05/01/10 to todays date... and then chose "Select all" forums... then I tried to link the page that came up... if you like, you can do the same search... (and maybe someone knows why the link will not work) ...

This method is a great way to check out the veracity of a poster, if they are new to you... to find out if they are "in the mix" or not...

dwcoins posting history

wilskyy posting history

Further edit --- I know I posted a few posts below that I was going to bed... but I got to thinking (a potentially dangerous thing

and not too good for sleeping LOL) ... I would like to add the following to this post...

Over the past 3+ years that I have been here, I have done many hundreds of deals on the BST... all but a handful have gone very well... both buying and selling. I have developed many satisfying relationships thru those deals, as well as here on the US Coin Forum... some business... some friendship... many both...

I have sent many checks and all went well... I have sent out packages on approval with no snags... I have received packages on approval... coins have gone out the same day as a check... in both directions... and all went well... the few bad deals are FAR outweighed by the good ones...

It would do me no good if I were to avoid any place where something bad happened... I will not put on a tinfoil hat... nor hide in the basement, so to speak... life happens... and all I can do is put my best foot forward and hope that things work out well... so far, for the most part, this has been the outcome of my endeavors here on planet earth...

What I have learned though, is to keep my eyes and ears open... pay attention to details... and learn to read the warning signs of something being amiss... and this thread is just my way of sharing a piece of what I have learned...

If I can help someone avoid the hassle and/or pain of being burned, then good... it is well worth the effort to write these words...

OK... enough said... for now

Barndog · October 23, 2010 1:49PM

if something seems too good to be true, it probably is

robkool · October 23, 2010 1:49PM

Larry...

Thanks for the heads up. I usually don't pay too much attention on the BST observing newps. Always good to get those references first.

oreville · October 23, 2010 2:48PM

DennisH · October 23, 2010 3:13PM

Both of the posting history links gave me this message when I clicked on them:

The page you were accessing requires variables to be passed to it.
Error Code: 100

SeaEagleCoins · October 23, 2010 3:15PM

I almost feel like a guy in a building that has a fire in it... who is yelling "FIRE" and no one cares...

If you wish to just let this thread fade away without any (or much) acknowledgement ... fine... that is up to you...

I am off to bed now... do as you see fit...

SeaEagleCoins · October 23, 2010 3:20PM

<< Both of the posting history links gave me this message when I clicked on them:

The page you were accessing requires variables to be passed to it.
Error Code: 100 >>

Dennis ... I don't know why but I get the same thing... I just did a search on both users names... from 5/1/10 to present... with select all chosen... gave me a page and I linked it... I don't know why it does not work... but you or anyone can do the search yourself if you wish...

After this post, I am off to bed... if the thread fades away... so be it...

I am just trying to help... that's all...

G'nite all

QuarterCollector · October 23, 2010 6:53PM

Thanks for the heads up Larry

jsf · October 23, 2010 8:10PM

I seem to remember the name, wilskyy, from quite some time back, I don't know why. They don't even have 100 posts yet, do they?

That toned Capped Bust coin they're using as their avatar is not their original one, I don't believe.

Anyway, it's a sad state of affairs, isn't it?

C'mon wilskyy, get on here and tell us why you turned, "crooked".

ricko · October 23, 2010 9:47PM

Great post.... I hope it helps save someone from financial grief. Cheers, RickO

coinkid855 · October 24, 2010 12:46AM

<< Both of the posting history links gave me this message when I clicked on them:

The page you were accessing requires variables to be passed to it.
Error Code: 100 >>

Search has been doing that for me for the past couple days. It's broken, I guess.

-Paul

TwoSides2aCoin · October 24, 2010 12:53AM

I taught my children to follow their heart and if they have to look over their shoulder then they were disobedient to themselves.

Classof67 · October 24, 2010 1:19AM

Great post, thanks!

SeaEagleCoins · October 24, 2010 2:30AM

I can not really tell how many folks have read this thread... yet I find it hard to believe that it has fallen off page 1 so quickly...

I tried it "straight" and it fell like a brick last nite... then added the L@@K to the title... a few replies then off to page two it went...

Now, due to a request from a prominent forum member, who has yet to post to this thread, I have removed the L@@K... to reflect the serious nature of this topic...

So, I am now bringing it back up for your consideration... FWIW, I put alot of time, thought and energy into this... I do think it is worth sharing...

TPRC · October 24, 2010 2:49AM

I'm relatively new and I appreciate it! I have done precisely 1 BST transaction..a purchase and it went without a hitch.

MrOrganic · October 24, 2010 3:01AM

Thanx for the heads up

cjmezz · October 24, 2010 3:01AM

Good Work SeaEagle.....being one the buyers that got scammed out of $820...i can tell you, I WISH more of this stuff was posted before I jumped the gun and sent this slapdick some of my hard earned money......like I said in my post..LESSON LEARNED.

thanks for posting this!

pakasmom · October 24, 2010 3:08AM

Thanks Larry! You've never been the type of guy to jump to negative conclusions. So a warning from you is "fair warning." Thanks for caring!

CaptHenway · October 24, 2010 3:26AM

Good post, and another reason to use a B&M shop if feasible. We have been in the same location for 22 years, and are in our third ten-year lease.
TD

coinguy1 · October 24, 2010 3:27AM

Thanks for the important reminder, Larry.

Tdec1000 · October 24, 2010 3:55AM

Larry it is people like you who help make the BST a safer place to trade. I still can't believe the nerve of this guy. He put a fsh thread on the bst and it is still at the top of the page. Yet you don't see him responding to any of these threads that are calling him a crook, even to defend himself.

That shows me he has a lot to hide.

Tom

MMR · October 24, 2010 3:55AM

I am sorry to hear that the BST is going south. It has been a great place for me to find many bargains that can't be had elsewhere. eBay is already a fraud filled cesspool, so I guess the party is over. Like CPT Henway said, I guess I will need to cultivate relationships with local B&M dealers.

The economy is going into a deep dive and millions of people are turning to crime. Actually, the whole country is corrupt now, starting from the top on down, the banking system, and the financial markets. My sense is that it is going to get a lot worse soon.

pennyannie · October 24, 2010 4:55AM

<< Good post, and another reason to use a B&M shop if feasible. We have been in the same location for 22 years, and are in our third ten-year lease.
TD >>

I have seen my share of businesses fold overnight leaving many holding the bag BUT i would perfer that to a lot of these unknown BST type transactions. I did not click on the links but i am leary to start with on BST transactions.

I see that this thread basicly started over a 1 ounce gold piece. Just how good a deal was this that you could not have done it at a business or show in person? I look at things thru a risk/reward. I will not put 1500 dollars out for a 25 dollar savings in most cases. I think i could put together a easy 75k a year scam on the net without much worry. I just need as few at 10 suckers to 35 to make a yearly living.

BlindedByEgo · October 24, 2010 5:28AM

A few simple rules I go by on the BST:

1) No public profile, no deal. HUGE red flag.
2) I prefer dealing with those in the Circle of Trust.
3) I don't even open BST threads of:
a) very recent members.
b) low post count members (<100).
c) non-participants in the PCGSCF. I mean, if you are going to use the site to sell your wares, why not support it?
d) anyone who has had a history of slow payment or difficult transactions as cited on the CF.

Some may say that my rules may prevent me from developing a profitable new relationship. I just look at it as a great
way to not waste my time.

Anyone remember Petarded and 777 a few years ago??? None of this is new stuff

SamByrd · October 24, 2010 6:04AM

thank you sea eagle for your efforts. I have had zero issues at all with buying or selling on the BST. I would not buy a high value item from a less then one hundred poster though with out some scrutiny. I buy regularly and will continue to do so it remains a great resource in my opinion. Post like this are valuable and have no downside in my view.

coinguy1 · October 24, 2010 6:27AM

Anyone wishing to buy or sell on the BST forum should be willing and able to provide suitable references to the other party. If they cannot do so, but the other party can, the former should fulfill his end of the transaction first.

SamByrd · October 24, 2010 6:31AM

<< Anyone wishing to buy or sell on the BST forum should be willing and able to provide suitable references to the other party. If they cannot do so, but the other party can, the former should fulfill his end of the transaction first. >>

agreed 100 %

seateddime · October 24, 2010 6:43AM

SeaEagleCoins,

Sorry to see you have a problem. You have always been a fair and honest person to deal with so when I hear this I find it to be sad news.

TWQG · October 24, 2010 8:35AM

Great advice.
I posted to waltscoins BST thread early this morning before I saw your thread.
I too smelled a rat.
The cases you presented are surely the same guy.

piecesofme · October 24, 2010 8:42AM

Anyone wishing to buy or sell on the BST forum should be willing and able to provide suitable references to the other party. If they cannot do so, but the other party can, the former should fulfill his end of the transaction first

I'll drink to that!!!

mbogoman · October 24, 2010 9:33AM

Larry,

Best of luck to you on this. The BST has been a major plus for my collection, both buying and selling. Eliminating the middleman saves precious $$ for those of us of lesser means. A few bad apples won't spoil the whole board, but we must remain open and vigilant. Thanks for outing the scum...

TexasNationals · October 24, 2010 10:39AM

LOL, lecturing the group after you burned me and left me with almost $2000 in a coin for you that you bailed on because you have no honor and your word is worth nothing to me and the people that I do business with.

EagleEye · October 24, 2010 10:41AM

Larry,

Thanks for posting.

One of the benefits of using the BST is the publicity one gets for a good transaction but also the bad posts you should expect if you don't keep up your end of the deal. It cuts both ways.

Use BlindedByEgo's rules and you should be OK.

SeaEagleCoins · October 24, 2010 11:23AM

<< LOL, lecturing the group after you burned me and left me with almost $2000 in a coin for you that you bailed on because you have no honor and your word is worth nothing to me and the people that I do business with. >>

Somehow I just knew you would come along and bring our 'deal gone bad" up... and it is quite approriate that you do.

You, sir, are in an elite group of 2 ... the only 2 people on these forums who I have on my "Ignore User" list... and for good reason...

First of all... when you first posted about this back when our deal fell apart... I offered to post each and every one of our PM's publicly, if you wanted me to...

I NEVER burned you... nor did I leave you with $2000 of your money tied up in a coin... unless you were completely BSing me from the gate...

If, in fact, you ever did get the coin (actually, based on your PMs, I was never quite sure how many or what coin we were actually talking about anymore) slabbed/authenticated, then you should have no problem selling it now, anyway...

And if it is any consolation to you... while it really is not anyone's business... I ended up losing money on the coin I did end up buying... which I bought thanks to you posting a thread here pointing out the coin... with a price FAR below what you were asking for a coin that was in a holder once but you then cracked twice to cross for an upgrade...and was raw when you discussed it with me... while you were ranting about not caring about the plastic... then you brought up other examples i could also consider and it all got way out of hand and much too confusing and complicated... and i wrote this paragraph intentionally like this to express the confusion you brought into my life at that time...

So there...

You are amongst less than a handful of folks I have had unfortunate dealings with... out of HUNDREDS of pleasant and uncomplicated transactions....

Bottom line is... your sigline tells me all I really need to know about you... and if I had noticed it before we communicated... no communication would have ever taken place between us to begin with... and if you are not sure what I mean by this... just read my sigline... that should give you an idea of what I think of yours...

Sorry folks... I know I have probably now tainted the intent of this thread... but I was not about to let ATM''s comment go by without with what I feel is a proper response...

DieClash · October 24, 2010 12:05PM

wrong thread

TexasNationals · October 24, 2010 12:26PM

Post the PM's, they tell the whole story. As for my signature line either you are referring to me outing a board member who masquerades as a big shot attacking beginners and other collectors or you are referring to my former employer whom saved many many many civilian and military lives and is a key component of both wars. If you are basing your opinion of them based off a biased news story then it sounds as though you need to go back to your original post and head your own advice on researching before going down that road. So unless you come back with a KBR, DynCorp or Triple Canopy ID I would guess you don't know a darn thing about how this works and for what it is worth, if you are anti war and pro Obama research that too as he is pulling military and doubling the # of contractors there, so.......

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