What do you think of the "Philippine Issues" section of the Red Book?

Dentuck · January 11, 2009 2:59AM

Do you consult the Red Book for information on Philippines coins struck by the U.S. Mint --- specifications, mintages, historical background, prices, design information, etc.?

RYK · January 11, 2009 3:22AM

I can honestly say that I have never looked at it, and even with this prompt, will not look at it. Therein lies your answer.

gecko109 · January 11, 2009 3:32AM

<< I can honestly say that I have never looked at it, and even with this prompt, will not look at it. Therein lies your answer. >>

And I dont look at Lincoln cents, so should we delete that section as well?

razzle · January 11, 2009 3:36AM

It prompted me to check my holdings. As usual, nothing of any particular dollar value.

tincup · January 11, 2009 3:37AM

Definitely keep it. It was an era of US coinage.

dbldie55 · January 11, 2009 3:40AM

They are US minted coins and belong in the Red Book.

COALPORTER · January 11, 2009 3:44AM

I was on a Philippine kick for a while and I found a used Whitman type set album with a few coins in it and a small 60 page semi hard bound book "United States Territotial Coinage for the Philippine Islands" by Neil Shafer published by Whitman. It's from 1961, so I don't know if it has ever been updated or reprinted, but a least it's more comprehensive than the
Red Book

tightbudget · January 11, 2009 3:46AM

Keep it. For those of you who said, "Delete it," why did you say that? The book is not going to be any cheaper without it and you never know if you'll ever need it.

Raybob15239 · January 11, 2009 3:57AM

I have assembled a type set of Philippines under US Administration coinage. They are part of US history and are US coins. I think that they are interesting and attractive coins. The section belongs in the Red Book.

mirabela · January 11, 2009 4:10AM

I agree it belongs. Prices are sort of out of touch on the low side for a number of those issues. Still, though, that's par for the course. It is nice to have the mintages, and they are US issues. They probably have a better claim to be there than many of the colonials. I'm not saying to remove them either.

Weiss · January 11, 2009 4:18AM

Keep it. The Philippines were US territory during this period. The coins were made by the US Mint in Philadelphia, Denver, and San Francisco. The coins even say "United States of America" on them. And it was a historically significant era where our fates were tied closely together.

I don't collect them, but I can certainly see why they would be included in a guide book of United States Coins.

DUIGUY · January 11, 2009 4:34AM

Edited to add sellers scans;

sumnom · January 11, 2009 5:02AM

I agree that the section should be kept. In fact, I wouldn't mind if it was expanded. The Philippines were a US possesion and the US Mint produced its coinage, thus the coins are US issues and are rightly included in the Red Book. Not only that, the designs are fantastic.

sumnom · January 11, 2009 5:03AM

OK, I just saw there are few votes to delete the section. For those of you who voted to delete it, could you explain your position?

Snowman24 · January 11, 2009 5:44AM

i like it in the Red book

wish Whitman would correct the incorrect mintages on 6 of them
1 centavo 1918S,1919s,1927M,1928M
20 centavo 1913S, 50 centavo 1904S

is there any more ???

anablep · January 11, 2009 5:50AM

Keep it and expand on it.

Great issues, attractive coins and important historically.

IloiloKano · January 11, 2009 6:40AM

<< wish Whitman would correct the incorrect mintages on 6 of them
1 centavo 1918S,1919s,1927M,1928M
20 centavo 1913S, 50 centavo 1904S

is there any more ??? >>

I suspect the mintage stated for the 1904 Philadelphia minted Peso is the total of the 10,000 regular issue and the 1,355 proofs that were minted, but I can't say with 100% certainty the stated mintage of 11,355 for the regular issue is wrong. Still, I strongly suspect 11,355 is incorrect, and 10,000 is the correct number, just like that of the 50, 20 and 10 centavos coins for the same date and mint.

<< I can honestly say that I have never looked at it, and even with this prompt, will not look at it. Therein lies your answer. >>

Which is exactly why US-PI collectors choose to associate with the darkside collectors. I'd be willing to bet the poster didn't know that a former US President and a son of a former US President (pointed out to me in another thread) were each at one time Governor of the Philippines.

edited to correct inaccuracies...

Weiss · January 12, 2009 10:11AM

Forget everything else, just look at this image. THAT is a coin that belongs in the Red Book:

MidLifeCrisis · January 12, 2009 10:36AM

<< I can honestly say that I have never looked at it, and even with this prompt, will not look at it. >>

Same here. But keep it if you want...I don't mind.

IloiloKano · January 12, 2009 11:10AM

<< Forget everything else, just look at this image. THAT is a coin that belongs in the Red Book >>

Another reason such coinage belongs in the Red Book, at least as much as Colonial / Post-Colonial issues or Hawaiian coinage, and much more so than Puerto Rican issues (minted by Spain under Spanish Administration or Alaskan Tokens (which were not coins)...

Pretty poor condition...

But note how this Treasury Certificate could be redeemed...

And see who was Governor at the time...

Edited to correct assumption this Theodore Roosevelt was the former President Roosevelt.

William Howard Taft served as the United States Solicitor General, a federal appellate judge, Governor-General of the Philippines, and Secretary of War before being nominated for President at the 1908 Republican National Convention with the backing of his predecessor and close friend Theodore Roosevelt.

Theodore Roosevelt, Jr., or Theodore Roosevelt II (November 13, 1887-July 12, 1944) was an American political and business leader, a Medal of Honor recipient who fought in both World War I and World War II, and the eldest son of President Theodore Roosevelt. Roosevelt served as Assistant Secretary of the Navy, Governor of Puerto Rico (1929–32), Governor-General of the Philippines (1932–33), Chairman of the Board of American Express Company, and Vice-President at Doubleday Books, and as a Brigadier General in the United States Army.

CoinJunkie · January 12, 2009 11:15AM

I like the coins, but have never looked at the Red Book section until now. I vote to expand it, since
as of 2009 (at least), there are no specifications for any of the coins. That is borderline inexcusable.

coindeuce · January 12, 2009 12:15PM

Try finding any of the early 5 centavo Proofs as singles for anywhere near the Red Book prices...

jessecarlk · January 12, 2009 12:34PM

i use the red book as my check list and use the philipine section for those coins rather than the Krause catalog that I use for my foreign coins.

PerryHall · January 12, 2009 8:49PM

<< I agree that the section should be kept. In fact, I wouldn't mind if it was expanded. The Philippines were a US possesion and the US Mint produced its coinage, thus the coins are US issues and are rightly included in the Red Book. Not only that, the designs are fantastic. >>

Omega · January 12, 2009 9:06PM

Expand it. Look at the coins. Learn the history. Then look again at the coins...

BTW, I LOVE the Roosevelt note!

Broadstruck · January 12, 2009 9:54PM

Great next the 1847 and 1883 Hawaii issues will be on the axing post

garsmith · January 13, 2009 5:10PM

I answered keep it but after looking at this coin

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I'm thinking may they should delete it; after all do we want it in print that the U.S. mint produced better looking coins for other nations than they do for us

rjsriv · January 14, 2009 4:32AM

One issue that the REDBOOK doesn't recognize is the MacArthur Issues of 1947-- It is true that the Phillipines were not a US Territory by then but the issues were struck at the SanFran Mint and carry the S mintmark and commemorate Gen Mac.. Not to expensive to get and neat pieces the 50 centavo and Peso....

IloiloKano · January 14, 2009 5:28AM

<< that the U.S. mint produced better looking coins for other nations than they do for us >>

What other nation?

From 1898 to 1945, the Philippine Islands were just as much a part of the United States as Puerto Rico and Guam were and still are now. And all three were brought into the United States at the end of the Spanish-American War.

All coinage minted for circulation in the Philippine Islands from 1903 to 1945 was produced by one of four United States Mints, which were the Philadelphia, Denver, San Francisco and Manila mints. Yes, the Manila Mint was a United States Mint, and there is history there as well. The So-Called Wilson Dollar was minted to celebrate the opening of the only overseas United States mint.

Finally, this coinage was American coinage, though it was denominated in Pesos and Centavos, rather than Dollars and Cents, and the denomination was specifically chosen for trade and economic reasons specific to the location of the islands. Puerto Rico did not have the same trade and economic relations with Asia as the Philippine Islands, and so introduction of the current circulating US currency into Puerto Rico did not pose the same difficulty. Even so, the American coinage minted in Pesos and Centavos was directly exchangeable with mainland Dollars and Cents on a 2 for 1 basis, and this ratio was maintained throughout the entire period the islands were part of the United States of America.

Below is quoted text from The Philippines: Past and Present by Dean C. Worcester, published 1914.

<< Mr. Charles A. Conant had been brought from the United States to make a report on the feasibility of providing an American coinage for the islands. He recommended that the unit of value should be a peso, equivalent to fifty cents United States currency. Congress, by an act passed July 1, 1902, vested general authority over the coinage in the Philippine government, but the commission decided not to take action until more specific authority could be obtained from Congress, as the proposed reform was radical, and it was very important that the new currency should at the outset command the confidence so essential to its success. >>

Mr. Charles A. Conant (referenced above) was honored by the Philippine National Bank when his image was chosen for their One Peso PNB circulating note. The bank circulating notes were authorized by the Philippine government for transactions within the islands, but were backed by each bank issuing them, either the Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) or the Philippine National Bank (PNB). Though this currency was not backed by the US government, the banks promised to exchange them for Treasury Certificates, Silver Certificates or Silver Pesos upon demand, and they freely and widely circulated. The PNB seemed to seek greater acceptance by featuring images of US Presidents on their notes, such as McKinley on the Five Pesos and Washington on the Ten Pesos.

Conant on a 1924 PNB One Peso Note

McKinley on a 1921 PNB Five Pesos Note

Washington on a 1937 PNB 10 Pesos Note

Jones on a 1921 PNB 20 Pesos Note

Lawton on a 1920 PNB 50 Pesos Note

...edited for spelling and grammar...

shirohniichan · January 14, 2009 7:56AM

Expand it!

I bought the books by Shafer and Lyman Allen, but I'd have liked to have been able to find the information more easily in the Red Book.

IloiloKano · January 14, 2009 12:42PM

<< BTW, I LOVE the Roosevelt note! >>

It's packaged, addressed and will be posted tomorrow for for your Young Notables class.

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