Modern day Hardtimes Token!

zeebob · January 2, 2009 10:46AM

Well, this is what happens when I browse the web after work... I impulse buy...

I hope the physical medals look as good as the pics. I just couldn't pass up the symbolism - dcarr rocks!.

DUIGUY · January 2, 2009 10:48AM

DNADave · January 2, 2009 11:05AM

I love it. so very true.

edix2001 · January 2, 2009 11:47AM

Itz a hard knock life!

TheRegulator · January 2, 2009 12:02PM

Hopefully you get banned for this. Take it elsewhere.

<< Itz a hard knock life!

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edix2001 · January 2, 2009 12:17PM

<< Hopefully you get banned for this. Take it elsewhere. >>

Breakin' it down for the hard of unnerstannin':

1. Little Orphan Annie was a comic strip about an orphan in depression era America. She was adopted by Daddy Warbucks, whose name is a play on capitalist war profiteering.
2. Annie is a Broadway play based on the comic strip, which included the song "Hard Knock Life" sung by the orphans at the orphanage, complaining of their many deprivations.
3. Rapper Jay-Z did his own cover of the Hard Knock Life song, subtitling it "Ghetto Anthem".
4. The movie "Austin Powers in Goldmember" did a parody of the Jay-Z cover, featuring Dr. Evil and Mini-Me done up in "gangsta" prison styles, rapping for the other inmates.
5. The graphic I posted below the title of that song features the face of George Bush superimposed on the Mini-Me character, and that of Dick Cheney on Dr. Evil, in a pose taken from the musical number from the film.

If you fail to recognize the numerous layers of irony in my post above, then you have been missing out on a lot of popular culture, bud.

edited to add something more

LotsoLuck · January 2, 2009 12:24PM

Thats great! where can I get one?????

edix2001 · January 2, 2009 12:36PM

Get one at
the Moonlight Mint Store
I got one myself.

dcarr · January 2, 2009 4:13PM

<< Well, this is what happens when I browse the web after work... I impulse buy...
I hope the physical medals look as good as the pics. I just couldn't pass up the symbolism - dcarr rocks!. >>

Thanks !
These were difficult to photograph. In this case, I do think they look better in-hand than in the picture.

Jsayre · January 2, 2009 5:29PM

I just ordered one for me and one for my dad. This will be a neat item to look back at 20 years from now!

ozzyfan269 · January 3, 2009 12:32AM

<< Hopefully you get banned for this. Take it elsewhere.

<< Itz a hard knock life!

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Get bent! You are not the forum cop!

rgCoinGuy · January 3, 2009 1:24AM

Awesome, thanks for pointing this out!

tydye · January 3, 2009 12:29PM

Cool! I like it I just placed my order

relicsncoins · January 3, 2009 1:04PM

I saw one in person last night. Cool to say the least.

JJ

COINB0Y · January 3, 2009 1:16PM

That is a Home Run!!

Has Final Mintage been determined?

Suggestion:

Next Version, please turn Pyramid Upside Down with Point in Man's Back, keep his arms out spread just as is showing the Pain and holding up Donkey and Elephant as well.

Keep all text as is (keep orientation of text, as is, like in the crude example below.)

I know..I know.. everyone's a critic......"Hey Coinboy when you go out and buy a Mint Press you can do it your way, untill then shut up! ;>"

notwilight · January 3, 2009 1:54PM

Is the toned version available? --Jerry

edix2001 · January 3, 2009 2:11PM

<< Is the toned version available? --Jerry >>

got blotorch?

dcarr · January 3, 2009 4:26PM

<< Is the toned version available? --Jerry >>

I do have some toned ones available. I really like the way they look toned. But no two of them are alike.

PS:
Heat was not used to tone them.

dcarr · January 3, 2009 4:32PM

<< That is a Home Run!!

Has Final Mintage been determined?

Suggestion:

Next Version, please turn Pyramid Upside Down with Point in Man's Back, keep his arms out spread just as is showing the Pain and holding up Donkey and Elephant as well.

Keep all text as is (keep orientation of text, as is, like in the crude example below.)

I know..I know.. everyone's a critic......"Hey Coinboy when you go out and buy a Mint Press you can do it your way, untill then shut up! ;>"

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The only problem with the up-side-down pyramid version is that the "Debt" is seen weighing down on the Federal Reserve when, in fact, the Federal Reserve is actually the source of much of the crushing debt.

droopyd · January 3, 2009 7:20PM

<< If you fail to recognize the numerous layers of irony in my post above, then you have been missing out on a lot of popular culture, bud. >>

It's hard enough for some people to get from Point A to Point B even with a roadmap, a GPS, and someone feeding them directions!

seemyauction · January 3, 2009 9:48PM

I love the design, what metal is it struck in?

dcarr your art continues to captivate the numismatic community.................

Longshot · January 3, 2009 11:00PM

Sweet medal but it needs a date!

holeinone1972 · January 3, 2009 11:16PM

<< Sweet medal but it needs a date! >>

It has a date of 2008 on it.

PipestonePete · January 3, 2009 11:46PM

What is the diameter of this token? I assume that it is cent size.

AU58WALKERS · January 4, 2009 12:23AM

SWEET and meaningfull.
I ordered one.

zeebob · January 5, 2009 4:00AM

The DC-Coins Website says, "39mm, Pure Copper, Satin Finish"

Dcarr, don't suppose you have a photo or two of the toned version you could post here (or PM me)?

edix2001 · January 5, 2009 4:03AM

renman95 · January 5, 2009 4:23AM

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<< Well, this is what happens when I browse the web after work... I impulse buy...
I hope the physical medals look as good as the pics. I just couldn't pass up the symbolism - dcarr rocks!. >>

Thanks !
These were difficult to photograph. In this case, I do think they look better in-hand than in the picture. >>

dcarr, do you have a UHR in mind someday?

COINB0Y · January 5, 2009 4:38AM

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The only problem with the up-side-down pyramid version is that the "Debt" is seen weighing down on the Federal Reserve when, in fact, the Federal Reserve is actually the source of much of the crushing debt. >>

Exactly, the FED is the source....er..and the prime benefactor of the Debt, too! They don't even need a fractional reserve ratio, they just create the credits digitally and off to work WE go.

I think if you turn the 'eye' and the seal right-side up, the point (no pun intended) that the Fed is almost an instrument of torture against the "Forgotten Man" with the donkey and the elephant exhorting even more pain is a wonderful analogy.

dcarr · January 5, 2009 10:36AM

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The only problem with the up-side-down pyramid version is that the "Debt" is seen weighing down on the Federal Reserve when, in fact, the Federal Reserve is actually the source of much of the crushing debt. >>

Exactly, the FED is the source....er..and the prime benefactor of the Debt, too! They don't even need a fractional reserve ratio, they just create the credits digitally and off to work WE go.

I think if you turn the 'eye' and the seal right-side up, the point (no pun intended) that the Fed is almost an instrument of torture against the "Forgotten Man" with the donkey and the elephant exhorting even more pain is a wonderful analogy. >>

True, but I think the crushing weight of a pyramid (flat side) is torture enough !

dcarr · January 5, 2009 10:47AM

<< dcarr, do you have a UHR in mind someday? >>

Perhaps yes, but it won't be St. Gaudens derivative.

SaorAlba · January 6, 2009 4:35AM

I must be getting good at recognizing Daniels work, I saw it as his before anything was said about it.

Type2 · January 6, 2009 4:50AM

That is a Nice one, Can you do one with a big fat banker with a cigar in his mouth counting his $$$ and a famliy geting kick out of there house.

WinPitcher · January 6, 2009 6:42AM

Very nice, I ordered one.

Steve

coinsarefun · January 6, 2009 6:51AM

<< That is a Nice one, Can you do one with a big fat banker with a cigar in his mouth counting his $$$ and a famliy geting kick out of there house.

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How about a big fat guy selling clothes

Stefanie

edix2001 · January 7, 2009 8:55AM

Here's an Hard Times Token-like coin club medal from a few years ago.
Larry Lee had these done up for his coin club using some older hubs from the Gallery Mint Museum. I think he had Tim Grat do the die sinking.
These were referred to as Lincoln Large Cents, since they're are large cent sized.
The large Lincoln portrait was designed by Ron Landis and initially used for the 30th reunion of his high school class - Lincoln High (Denver!). class of '72. The counterstamped Lincoln portrait was designed by Ron as a 2005 DDO Lincoln cent, to memorialize the 50th anniv of the '55 DDO Lincoln, and was released as my personally suggested design, at the coin show in Houston during my club's 50th anniv year, and then with various other reverses during that year at different events.
I'm not sure about where the reverse hub design element on this piece came from (perhaps one of Ron's 18th cent repros), but basing it on old HTT designs was a masterstroke of creativity in my mind.
I have them in both silver and copper:
2007 Anniversary Medal Set Lincoln Coin Club

dcarr · January 7, 2009 9:10AM

<< Here's an Hard Times Token-like coin club medal from a few years ago.
Larry Lee had these done up for his coin club using some older hubs from the Gallery Mint Museum. I think he had Tim Grat do the die sinking.
These were referred to as Lincoln Large Cents, since they're are large cent sized.
The large Lincoln portrait was designed by Ron Landis and initially used for the 30th reunion of his high school class - Lincoln High (Denver!). class of '72. The counterstamped Lincoln portrait was designed by Ron as a 2005 DDO Lincoln cent, to memorialize the 50th anniv of the '55 DDO Lincoln, and was released as my personally suggested design, at the coin show in Houston during my club's 50th anniv year, and then with various other reverses during that year at different events.
I'm not sure about where the reverse hub design element on this piece came from (perhaps one of Ron's 18th cent repros), but basing it on old HTT designs was a masterstroke of creativity in my mind.
I have them in both silver and copper:
2007 Anniversary Medal Set Lincoln Coin Club

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Neat piece. The obverse (large portrait) looks broadstruck. Was the obverse die smaller than the reverse die ?

edix2001 · January 7, 2009 9:42AM

<< Neat piece. The obverse (large portrait) looks broadstruck. Was the obverse die smaller than the reverse die ? >>

I'm not quite that sophisticated to know.
But what I can say and show is that the obverse was originally designed for an upset rim planchet, as can be seen here:

and the reverse die had dentils built in, like so (different design):

So I don't know what effect that might have. And broadstruck translates into struck outside the collar, IIRC, so look at my own two pieces below. On the reverse, especially in the letters "CO" in COIN CLUB, there is a doubling of the image in the area of the counterstriking. I betcha the coin was counterstamped while sitting in the bottom die.

GritsMan · January 7, 2009 11:21AM

Dan,
Another great piece! I just looked at your website and have a question: will you be minting more kinds of 2009 Ameros than you have listed so far? I got a silver 25 Amero last year and would love to get another, but didn't see any. Thanks! Your work just gets more and more interesting.

P.S. Are you using the new press to strike the Ameros, too?

edix2001 · January 7, 2009 11:25AM

I'll be on the lookout for silver 25 Ameros myself.

BlindedByEgo · January 7, 2009 1:53PM

<< 

<< If you fail to recognize the numerous layers of irony in my post above, then you have been missing out on a lot of popular culture, bud. >>

It's hard enough for some people to get from Point A to Point B even with a roadmap, a GPS, and someone feeding them directions!

>>

You forgot "both hands and a flashlight"

Take a chill pill, theRegulator

dcarr · January 7, 2009 2:16PM

<< Dan,
Another great piece! I just looked at your website and have a question: will you be minting more kinds of 2009 Ameros than you have listed so far? I got a silver 25 Amero last year and would love to get another, but didn't see any. Thanks! Your work just gets more and more interesting.

P.S. Are you using the new press to strike the Ameros, too? >>

Thanks,

Yes I'll be coming out with 25mm 25-Ameros in silver fairly soon. I'm going to get production going on the larger coins first, and then do the smaller coins.

Yes, all 2009 Ameros will be struck on the Denver Mint coin press. The 2008 1/10 oz gold Ameros were also struck on the Denver Mint press (the only 2008 Ameros struck on that press). The 2008 Hard Times tokens are all being struck on the Denver Mint press too.

I'm planning to stike almost everything I do, from now on, on the Denver Mint press. I'll be attempting to strike some large 63mm pewter medals on it soon (as soon as I can get the darn blanks).

lordmarcovan · January 7, 2009 2:22PM

Well, now, the flying pig is a great touch. I like it.

edix2001 · January 7, 2009 2:42PM

When I was in Colorado Springs this past summer for ANA Summer Seminar, I bought a plastic winged pig from a shop downtown. It's for a car like one of those fish/Darwin hard plastic appliques.

"When monkees fly out of my ..."
~ Madonna, "Wayne's World - SNL"

dcarr · January 7, 2009 3:22PM

"Circulated" version:

sumnom · January 7, 2009 4:25PM

It took a while but I finally got the flying monkey reference.

I ordered one, by the way!

joeyuk · January 7, 2009 9:01PM

<< It took a while but I finally got the flying monkey reference. >>

I'm assuming Wizard of OZ. I think of the wicked witches soldiers chanting "All we own we owe her"

I picked up 10 for friends that will enjoy them.

GritsMan · January 7, 2009 10:33PM

Thanks for the replies, Dan! That is very cool that you are doing all of your own minting now, and I'm looking forward to the smaller Ameros.

Oh, and I had just assumed that the flying pig was a reference to Pink Floyd's "Animals" album!

pmac · January 7, 2009 10:42PM

I just opened this thread and saw the modern 'so-called' dollar. I thought Dan Carr might have had a hand in its design. Reading on, I obviously was right. Great job, Dan. I'll be ordering one shortly. Thanks.

dcarr · January 8, 2009 2:27AM

The Donkey and the Elephant, squatting on (adding their weight to) the pyramid is symbolic of both political party's contribution to (and encouragement of) the average citizens' debt load.

The flying monkey is symbolic of the distraction technique used by some to divert attention from the real souce (cuplrit) of the problem. "Woo, look at the flying monkey !" - big bad oil companies, greedy speculators, etc. etc. Nobody notices the "man behind the curtain" - the Federal Reserve which is really the culprit here and has as it's perpetual main focus the maximization of the collection of interest payments in all forms.

The flying pig is symbolic of the chances that this will end well - "when pigs fly".

joeyuk · January 8, 2009 2:50AM

The DC I assume are for your initials but how bout the crescent moon ?

Modern day Hardtimes Token!

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