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I was going to be on this Lincoln, but I was outbid by a large margin! 
The PCGS price guide is $20 for the grade.
The toning looks very nice, but is it that nice? What do you'll think?
1941-D Lincoln on eBay
The PCGS price guide is $20 for the grade.The toning looks very nice, but is it that nice? What do you'll think?
1941-D Lincoln on eBay
"It is what it is."
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<< <i>The toning looks very nice, but is it that nice? What do you'll think?
No. Lincoln's remain hot, but that's stupid money for that one!
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Decent color + PCGS Slab + ebay + a wee bit of juice = Big Bucks
Forum members MrD & Braddock are masters at repeating this recipe over and over again.
<< <i>Tried and true recipe...
Decent color + PCGS Slab + ebay + a wee bit of juice = Big Bucks
Forum members MrD & Braddock are masters at repeating this recipe over and over again. >>
I have followed both their auctions and some coins sell for moon money like this, and some coins don't do to hot.
But this one did quite alright IMO.
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<< <i>As long as they don't need to get their money back in the next 100 years they should do ok. I really don't think they are that rare either, I looked at cases full this weekend at the Houston show. >>
That's what I was thinking and trying to portray. I thought this example sold for way more than I was willing to pay. I guess the economy isn't really that bad.
Only a 11.5x the price guide value.
<< <i>As long as they don't need to get their money back in the next 100 years they should do ok. I really don't think they are that rare either, I looked at cases full this weekend at the Houston show. >>
When the seller bought the coin I am sure someone said the same thing, yet I suspect he bought it less than 100 years ago and I suspect he made a pretty penny on the transaction. There has been some serious money made buying and selling toned coins at levels many consider to be stupid money. I don't get it either, but I can't ignore the fact that the right color can bring moon money premiums and profits to those who are not afraid to stretch to obtain these toners.
<< <i>Only a 11.5x the price guide value.
Do any wildly toned coins in any series sell for "Price Guide" prices?
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<< <i>Only a 11.5x the price guide value.
Do any wildly toned coins in any series sell for "Price Guide" prices? >>
None that I'm after.
Mike
I'd wager that in most other angles....its just a 65BN.
100% feedback rating: 6,988 positive transactions over 9 years!...a large chunk of those from very happy repeat buyers (like me).
<< <i> ...BTW for those wondering about my pictures, I have a return rate less than 1%. >>
A low return rate is not a justification for jucing photos, in my opinion.
Hey Mike, are you kidding me? This coin's photo does not look juiced. And look at Mr. D's feedback............THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of positive, "better than the pics," "just like the pics," "fantastic coin," "the best" types of comments....100% feedback over 9 years for God's sake! You should show a little more respect, in my opinion.
<< <i>A low return rate is not a justification for jucing photos, in my opinion.
Hey Mike, are you kidding me? This coin's photo does not look juiced. And look at Mr. D's feedback............THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of positive, "better than the pics," "just like the pics," "fantastic coin," "the best" types of comments....100% feedback over 9 years for God's sake! You should show a little more respect, in my opinion. >>
No, I'm not kidding you. To my knowledge (and to his credit), Mr. D has never denied that he juices his photos. However, he has -- on multiple occasions as I recall things -- pointed to his feedback as a justification of photograph manipulation. That's a fallacy on several levels...and again, that's my opinion only, and not meant as disrespect, just disagreement. Take care....Mike
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<< <i>I didn't say anything about jucing my pictures but rather answering my critics that believe I do. >>
So, please, set the record straight and tell us all precisely how you set up your camera and what you do in post-processing. If I am wrong about my assertions, I'll be the first to admit it.....Mike
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<< <i>A low return rate is not a justification for jucing photos, in my opinion.
Hey Mike, are you kidding me? This coin's photo does not look juiced. And look at Mr. D's feedback............THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of positive, "better than the pics," "just like the pics," "fantastic coin," "the best" types of comments....100% feedback over 9 years for God's sake! You should show a little more respect, in my opinion. >>
No, I'm not kidding you. To my knowledge (and to his credit), Mr. D has never denied that he juices his photos. However, he has -- on multiple occasions as I recall things -- pointed to his feedback as a justification of photograph manipulation. That's a fallacy on several levels...and again, that's my opinion only, and not meant as disrespect, just disagreement. Take care....Mike
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I've sent many coins to Mr. D over the years for photos and I take exception to your statements.
The results I've received do show the coin in "its best light", but they are not juiced or inaccurate.
I have used these photos to sell coins on eBay and have never had a return or even a non-positive
feedback.
<< <i>I've sent many coins to Mr. D over the years for photos and I take exception to your statements.
The results I've received do show the coin in "its best light", but they are not juiced or inaccurate.
I have used these photos to sell coins on eBay and have never had a return or even a non-positive
feedback. >>
Again, lack of bad feedback is not a justficition for nor a negative indication of juiced photos. The photos speak for themselves....
So you all know, specifically, what led me to my assertion, take this photo as an example:
Ignore the coin for a moment and look closely at the colors in the slab -- you will notice all kinds of chroma manipulation which show as saturated colors (tiny bright greet, red, and blue pixels) in the slab where a non-manipulated photo will show a much more natural and realistic grey color in this area. This look is very typcial in manipulated photos, and you can take a photo of a slab and play with the saturation and/or contrast and get this precise effect if you so desire.
Again, so you all don't get the wrong idea, I think that Mr. D is a good guy, and clearly he has lots of happy customers and consigners -- however that doesn't give him a pass, in my opinion, for using photographic manipulation to maximize prices realized.
Respectfully....Mike
I do it the same way that most people do it with different settings and different lighting. I use a program that allows me to prepare my pictures to be shown. I do whatever I can inside that program to make the coins appear to me they way they do to my eyes. If this is what you call "jucing" than I guess I am guilty. I think we have a problem with symantics. Some people use these programs to make coins look better than they do to the naked eye. This is not my intention. It is also not my intention to start a fight in this forum.
<< <i>I use a program that allows me to prepare my pictures to be shown. I do whatever I can inside that program to make the coins appear to me they way they do to my eyes. If this is what you call "jucing" than I guess I am guilty. >>
I didn't think you'd share the details.
FWIW, that is precisely what I call juicing -- using camera settings and/or post processing to introduce colors and/or hues that weren't present in the original photograph or coin.
Take care...Mike
p.s. I didn't intend to start an fight either -- however, I will suggest that at least part of the reason the coin posted by the OP fetched the price that it did was a result of the photographs, thus the comments on how the photograph was made are germane to the conversation.
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<< <i>I've sent many coins to Mr. D over the years for photos and I take exception to your statements.
The results I've received do show the coin in "its best light", but they are not juiced or inaccurate.
I have used these photos to sell coins on eBay and have never had a return or even a non-positive
feedback. >>
Again, lack of bad feedback is not a justficition for nor a negative indication of juiced photos. The photos speak for themselves....
So you all know, specifically, what led me to my assertion, take this photo as an example:
Ignore the coin for a moment and look closely at the colors in the slab -- you will notice all kinds of chroma manipulation which show as saturated colors (tiny bright greet, red, and blue pixels) in the slab where a non-manipulated photo will show a much more natural and realistic grey color in this area. This look is very typcial in manipulated photos, and you can take a photo of a slab and play with the saturation and/or contrast and get this precise effect if you so desire.
Again, so you all don't get the wrong idea, I think that Mr. D is a good guy, and clearly he has lots of happy customers and consigners -- however that doesn't give him a pass, in my opinion, for using photographic manipulation to maximize prices realized.
Respectfully....Mike >>
OK, agreed that "lack of bad feedback is not a justification...", but you have to admit that 7,000 satisfied
customers is pretty strong indication that people are basically getting what is being represented and what
they are expecting.
Furthermore, the crux of my argument was that I have sent MY OWN coins to him for photos, and can
compare the photos with the coins. In my judgment, the photos gave a true representation of the coin.
This is all subjective, since there no way a photo can exactly capture the experience of looking at a
coin in hand.
I'm not going to argue about it. Mr. D runs a successful business with LOTS of satisfied customers (including
me), and he's one of the very best photographers of colorful coins there is.
<< <i>As long as they don't need to get their money back in the next 100 years they should do ok. I really don't think they are that rare either, I looked at cases full this weekend at the Houston show. >>
...makes me wish I was in Houston this past week-end. It sounded like a cherrypicker's dream. No crowds at all
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<< <i>OK, agreed that "lack of bad feedback is not a justification...", but you have to admit that 7,000 satisfied
customers is pretty strong indication that people are basically getting what is being represented and what
they are expecting. >>
I can't disagree with that.
<< <i>Furthermore, the crux of my argument was that I have sent MY OWN coins to him for photos, and can
compare the photos with the coins. In my judgment, the photos gave a true representation of the coin.
This is all subjective, since there no way a photo can exactly capture the experience of looking at a
coin in hand. >>
Getting past the subjective nature of the discussion, and recognizing that you've had experience of seeing in-hand coins that Mr. D has photographed....having viewed many of Mr. D's pictures over the years, and a large number of toned coins, I feel very confident in suggesting that many of the hues that are present in his photographs (which are a direct result of the photographic manipulation) are not on the coins themselves, and I have presented the evidence that led me to draw that conclusion. It seems you disagree, and there's really nothing wrong with that since they are both subjective opinions.
<< <i>I'm not going to argue about it. Mr. D runs a successful business with LOTS of satisfied customers (including
me), and he's one of the very best photographers of colorful coins there is. >>
I will not disagree with your comments on Mr. D's business, however I will respectfully suggest that in my opinion he's nowhere near "one of the very best photographers of colorful coins there is." The best photographers don't need or utilize signficant saturation enhancements to accurately capture the color present on toned coins. But again, we're talking subjective opinions....
Respectfully & honestly submitted....Mike
Mike, the thing I dislike is your continued willingness to gloss over the real point here: Mr. D's photos are deadly accurate for what the coins look like in-hand....hence the PERFECT feedback. Do you have any idea how accurate somebody has to be to receive 7000 out of 7000 positive feedbacks over 9 years? No, of course you don't. Despite other members chiming in attesting to the in-hand accuracy of Mr. D's pics, you still blather on. The "confidence" you put in your "conclusion" (per your statement above) is grossly misplaced. And your continued need to argue the point using a
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<< <i>Mike, the thing I dislike is your continued willingness to gloss over the real point here: Mr. D's photos are deadly accurate for what the coins look like in-hand....hence the PERFECT feedback. Do you have any idea how accurate somebody has to be to receive 7000 out of 7000 positive feedbacks over 9 years? No, of course you don't. Despite other members chiming in attesting to the in-hand accuracy of Mr. D's pics, you still blather on. The "confidence" you put in your "conclusion" (per your statement above) is grossly misplaced. And your continued need to argue the point using a
Mr. Slammer, We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one, and quite frankly I don't appreciate the tone you're taking. I don't think that I glossed over any point -- we just disagree and I see no point in rehashing the argument as we have both stated our position. Bottom line: I trust my experience viewing toned coins and taking photographs of them more than I trust Mr. D's photographs, your endorsement, and 7000 feedbacks -- if you dislike that or consider it obtuse or blathering on, I'm sorry as that wasn't my intent, but really that's your problem not mine. If you wish to carry on this conversation, please feel free to PM me, as I have nothing else to say to you on this topic. Take care....Mike
p.s. to answer your question, I have absolutely no idea what it takes to have 100% feedback across 7000 auctions, but I do know a thing or two about toned coins and photographing them.
<< <i>....having viewed many of Mr. D's pictures over the years, and a large number of toned coins, I feel very confident in suggesting that many of the hues that are present in his photographs (which are a direct result of the photographic manipulation) are not on the coins themselves, and I have presented the evidence that led me to draw that conclusion. It seems you disagree, and there's really nothing wrong with that since they are both subjective opinions.
Mike, the thing I dislike is your continued willingness to gloss over the real point here: Mr. D's photos are deadly accurate for what the coins look like in-hand....hence the PERFECT feedback. Do you have any idea how accurate somebody has to be to receive 7000 out of 7000 positive feedbacks over 9 years? No, of course you don't. Despite other members chiming in attesting to the in-hand accuracy of Mr. D's pics, you still blather on. The "confidence" you put in your "conclusion" (per your statement above) is grossly misplaced. And your continued need to argue the point using a
Auction Image
My Image which reflects coin color in hand.
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Auction Image
My Image which reflects coin color in hand.
Nice.. how about this tho (chameleon coins):
Auction image:
Mine (admittedly a quick in hand snap)
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Color reproduction on a coin w/o messing w/ it (great toning progression for those who wonder what it should look like.. eventually I'll put it on the copy stand and take some real nice ones):
The ebay version of the picture.
Some people have nice coins, others have Photoshop(tm) I guess. No returns. Cute, eh?
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