The onekram scam revealed!
EagleEye
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This is in regards to these threads:
Thread #1
Thread #2
And possibly a few more.
One day, out of the blue I get a coin for attribution. No big deal, I get these all the time. I charge $4 plus retrun postage for the service.
But this coin was sent through his lawyer! OK, so I got it attributed and sent it back. Then all HeII breaks loose!
His lawyer contacts me, making all kids of threats and I find a complaint has been filed 4/14/08 with the Ohio Attorney General! In it, the description of the item reads: Consumer sent a rare coin to this gentle @ his (sic.) company to get appraised. Company is refusing to send the coin back. Consumer states the coin is in excess of 2 million dollars
OK, I get a letter off right away and prepare for a lawsuit:
Marc D----
Attorney General
State of Ohio
30 E. Broad St. 14th. Floor.
Columbus, OH 43215
RE: Complaint #----
Dear Sir,
Thank you for the opportunity to address this issue. Mr. K---- was recommended by Heritage Auctions of Dallas to submit a coin to me that he believed was a collectible die variety of a 1873 Indian Cent. In late March he sent the coin to me. I quickly examined it and determined that there was no collectible die variety and returned it on April 4th, 2008 via registered mail. Mr. K---- had included $20 for the attribution and return postage.
[A few paragraphs of my professional career history edited out here.]
The coin in question is an average circulated Indian cent in VF to XF grade which for a 1873 “Closed 3”, has a value of $100 to $200. Mr. K----'s coin is not a rare die variety. As a point of reference, the best die variety of this year, the Snow-1, is valued at most at $5,000 in this grade.
Mr. K----- upon receiving the coin on or around April 10, informed my office about the problem. He claimed that the coin he received was not the same one he sent. During the week following, I was away at a coin show in Chicago, but was able to e-mail Mr. K---- and I asked him to send me pictures of the coin he sent and the coin I sent him.
Mr. K---- is wrong that I sent him a different coin. The two images he sent me are certainly of the same coin. I am enclosing a printout of Mr. K----'s pictures with my annotations showing that they are the same coin. I hope you agree that Mr. K----- is wrong in his assumption of wrongdoing on my part.
Sincerely,
Richard Snow
President,
Eagle Eye Rare Coins
After that nothing was heard of Mr. K---- again. until now.
Be very carefull with this guy!
Thread #1
Thread #2
And possibly a few more.
One day, out of the blue I get a coin for attribution. No big deal, I get these all the time. I charge $4 plus retrun postage for the service.
But this coin was sent through his lawyer! OK, so I got it attributed and sent it back. Then all HeII breaks loose!
His lawyer contacts me, making all kids of threats and I find a complaint has been filed 4/14/08 with the Ohio Attorney General! In it, the description of the item reads: Consumer sent a rare coin to this gentle @ his (sic.) company to get appraised. Company is refusing to send the coin back. Consumer states the coin is in excess of 2 million dollars
OK, I get a letter off right away and prepare for a lawsuit:
Marc D----
Attorney General
State of Ohio
30 E. Broad St. 14th. Floor.
Columbus, OH 43215
RE: Complaint #----
Dear Sir,
Thank you for the opportunity to address this issue. Mr. K---- was recommended by Heritage Auctions of Dallas to submit a coin to me that he believed was a collectible die variety of a 1873 Indian Cent. In late March he sent the coin to me. I quickly examined it and determined that there was no collectible die variety and returned it on April 4th, 2008 via registered mail. Mr. K---- had included $20 for the attribution and return postage.
[A few paragraphs of my professional career history edited out here.]
The coin in question is an average circulated Indian cent in VF to XF grade which for a 1873 “Closed 3”, has a value of $100 to $200. Mr. K----'s coin is not a rare die variety. As a point of reference, the best die variety of this year, the Snow-1, is valued at most at $5,000 in this grade.
Mr. K----- upon receiving the coin on or around April 10, informed my office about the problem. He claimed that the coin he received was not the same one he sent. During the week following, I was away at a coin show in Chicago, but was able to e-mail Mr. K---- and I asked him to send me pictures of the coin he sent and the coin I sent him.
Mr. K---- is wrong that I sent him a different coin. The two images he sent me are certainly of the same coin. I am enclosing a printout of Mr. K----'s pictures with my annotations showing that they are the same coin. I hope you agree that Mr. K----- is wrong in his assumption of wrongdoing on my part.
Sincerely,
Richard Snow
President,
Eagle Eye Rare Coins
After that nothing was heard of Mr. K---- again. until now.
Be very carefull with this guy!
Rick Snow, Eagle Eye Rare Coins, Inc.Check out my new web site:
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What a treat for you--you get to spend time and quite possibly money dealing with that person. All for the magnificent sum of $4. Some days it just doesn't pay to open the mail!
-Randy Newman
And everyone has told the tool that it's the same coin!!!!
That explains the seemingly mentally-unbalanced postings.
Scary, from a dealer's point of view. What's to stop an unbalanced loon from making such an accusation of anyone?
Or, for that matter, from either point of view.
On the flip side, what's to stop a dealer from actually performing such a switch and saying that the person who accuses him is an unbalanced loon?
Therein lies the problem. Naturally, I can pretty easily figure out which scenario is the real one, in this case.
But unfortunately I won't be on the jury, if there even will be a jury.
I hope the pictures and documentation make this go away quickly for you. If the unbalanced ravings of your accuser don't. Maybe he'll foam at the mouth or his eyes will pinwheel around enough to make them see what's up and dismiss the charges.
(Edit- oh, so I take it this already came to pass. Good.)
BTW, I got the IHC I recently purchased from your site. Nice coin, and thanks.
These people can be energetic, creative and even entertaining but if they get a paranoid hair up their butt it can be damn hard to pull it out. . .
And there's hell to pay if such a person has access to family money and can hire a legal firm who simply follows the instructions of their moneyed client and are happy to let the matter play out in court at $500 an hour.
Rob
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where should I send them?
Having only seen a few of these I suggested sort them by date and then by MM and then do a search on the price guide to see if anything really stood out. If he found any, I suggested he send them in for grading. His reply was that he did not trust sending them through the US Mail and he did not trust that PCGS, if he sent a rare one in, wouldn't switch it for a common coin and keep his rarity!
I tried to explain that their entire reputation rested on the trust they have with their customers but he would not even hear of it!
He would not even take them to a coin dealer for opinions out of fear that he would be tracked down and robbed.
Now, my brother in law can be a bit stubborn but IMO this was way off the mark.
This fella that Rick is dealing with is probably a member in good standing to any "Conspiracy Theory" groups and is simply not playing with a full deck of cards!
I'm really sorry that you've had to suffer through this Rick but I am glad that at least we now all know the "reputable dealer" that was involved in this charade. I could tell from the outset that the coins pictured were exactly the same, only photographed or scanned under different lighting conditions and tried tell relate this. But this fella has his mind made up and there just is no reasoning or discussing it with him.
If this has been closed, I can;t help but wonder why this fella keeps bringing this up as this subject has been addressed on at least three different forums with the same results on all three.
The name is LEE!
The name is LEE!
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Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
<< <i>This jerk so reminds me of my brother in law that inherited bags and buckets of silver coins from his Dad.
Having only seen a few of these I suggested sort them by date and then by MM and then do a search on the price guide to see if anything really stood out. If he found any, I suggested he send them in for grading. His reply was that he did not trust sending them through the US Mail and he did not trust that PCGS, if he sent a rare one in, wouldn't switch it for a common coin and keep his rarity!
I tried to explain that their entire reputation rested on the trust they have with their customers but he would not even hear of it!
He would not even take them to a coin dealer for opinions out of fear that he would be tracked down and robbed.
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ESPN Magazine had a fascinating article last month about a retired trucker who purchased a Honus Wagner card decades ago at an estate sale (link to article here). When he decided to sell the card he refused to have it authenticated by PSA because that would mean turning over possession to "strangers he did not trust," and that the card would be damaged or replaced. With some experts raising serious issues about the card's authenticity, it remains unsold.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Ray
"Keep your malarkey filter in good operating order" -Walter Breen
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<< <i>This jerk so reminds me of my brother in law that inherited bags and buckets of silver coins from his Dad.
Having only seen a few of these I suggested sort them by date and then by MM and then do a search on the price guide to see if anything really stood out. If he found any, I suggested he send them in for grading. His reply was that he did not trust sending them through the US Mail and he did not trust that PCGS, if he sent a rare one in, wouldn't switch it for a common coin and keep his rarity!
I tried to explain that their entire reputation rested on the trust they have with their customers but he would not even hear of it!
He would not even take them to a coin dealer for opinions out of fear that he would be tracked down and robbed.
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ESPN Magazine had a fascinating article last month about a retired trucker who purchased a Honus Wagner card decades ago at an estate sale (link to article here). When he decided to sell the card he refused to have it authenticated by PSA because that would mean turning over possession to "strangers he did not trust," and that the card would be damaged or replaced. With some experts raising serious issues about the card's authenticity, it remains unsold.
Sean Reynolds >>
Wow! I clicked the link and 50 to 60 available yet still commanding over a million bucks each?
I wonder if any of these buyers are interested in a Prototype IKE??
The name is LEE!
I would assume his tactic may be changing to extortion. He may not be after real compensation, he may just want to reduce Mr. Snow's business enough to "compensate" for his "stolen" coin.
When I first saw his images I could not tell the difference between the two coins, except for the different conditions for imaging them. However, since more than enough people were saying the same I decided to move on since I had nothing further to add.
Mr. Snow may be the target of this individual until some other major calamity or perceived slight pulls his attention away. I wonder if he could be sued for defamation of character and loss of business?
S
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<< <i>It ain't easy dealing with the public. He hasn't given up yet. I hope his aluminum foil hat falls off.
LOONEY-LINK >>
That thread has been locked or else I point those folks over here!
The name is LEE!
Exact same coin. Now he is claiming you manufactured every single mark to steal his coin? Tooled and toned to exact wear on every mark? You must have even had 125 year old dirt and grime laying around the office too. All in the week or so you had the coin?
Sorry your having to deal with this Rick. If this goes to court, make sure you file a counter claim of $10 million for the irrepairable harm he has caused to you and and the reputation of your company by posting all these slanderous remarks on all these coin sites. Heck I would probably do it anyway.
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<< <i>This jerk so reminds me of my brother in law that inherited bags and buckets of silver coins from his Dad.
Having only seen a few of these I suggested sort them by date and then by MM and then do a search on the price guide to see if anything really stood out. If he found any, I suggested he send them in for grading. His reply was that he did not trust sending them through the US Mail and he did not trust that PCGS, if he sent a rare one in, wouldn't switch it for a common coin and keep his rarity!
I tried to explain that their entire reputation rested on the trust they have with their customers but he would not even hear of it!
He would not even take them to a coin dealer for opinions out of fear that he would be tracked down and robbed.
>>
ESPN Magazine had a fascinating article last month about a retired trucker who purchased a Honus Wagner card decades ago at an estate sale (link to article here). When he decided to sell the card he refused to have it authenticated by PSA because that would mean turning over possession to "strangers he did not trust," and that the card would be damaged or replaced. With some experts raising serious issues about the card's authenticity, it remains unsold.
Sean Reynolds >>
Wow! I clicked the link and 50 to 60 available yet still commanding over a million bucks each?
I wonder if any of these buyers are interested in a Prototype IKE?? >>
I would but would you send the correct coin?
When will we learn ?
I'm glad that it is resolved, but as noted before, is it? The scam artist is still beating the drum.... You seem to have all your "ducks in a row" as your letter to the Atty Gen was very good and you have tons of support. All who responded to the guys threads, came to the same conclusion; the two images are of the same coin. Thanks for the "heads up" and being on the front lines.
<< <i>No, this is from April! No problem anymore. >>
FYI: Marc Dann was booted from his position as State Attorney General. Hope you kept all your correspondence in case the scammer contacts the new AG.
<< <i>Consumer states the coin is in excess of 2 million dollars >>
He should list it on eBay.
Russ, NCNE
Let me know if you need a character witness.
Tom
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<< <i>Rick,
Let me know if you need a character witness.
Tom >>
me too
Me three, FWIW.
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The name is LEE!