I'm pretty sure this is a new record price for an MS67 Kennedy.

Russ · June 2, 2008 2:46AM

1966 closes at $7392 with the juice.

WOW!

Russ, NCNE

DCAM · June 2, 2008 2:50AM

Is that a pop top or smoething?

STONE · June 2, 2008 2:53AM

Time to start looking over some Kennedy rolls.

BTW- IMO that coin looks more like a 66 than a 67, anyone else?

lasvegasteddy · June 2, 2008 3:00AM

w-t-h...??????

wondercoin · June 2, 2008 3:00AM

That's just "modern crap" and I am sure the buyer will likely lose 99% of his purchase price -

NOT.

Wondercoin

Russ · June 2, 2008 3:01AM

<< Is that a pop top or smoething? >>

Close. There's one graded in MS68.

Russ, NCNE

Russ · June 2, 2008 3:02AM

<< That's just "modern crap" and I am sure the buyer will likely lose 99% of his purchase price >>

This is true. It was also true when the last one to sell traded at about half this price.

Russ, NCNE

Russ · June 2, 2008 3:03AM

BTW, the PCGS price guide is $2750.

Russ, NCNE

lasvegasteddy · June 2, 2008 3:03AM

well...i'm sure the seller has no remorse...must be all the 2008 with 2007 reverse money flowing

Russ · June 2, 2008 3:07AM

<< well...i'm sure the seller has no remorse >>

That's not necessarily true. I could get quite a bit more for my 68DCAM Accented Hair and, while the money would be nice, I'd feel remorse letting it go. It, and the coin in this auction, are damned near impossible to replace. So, if the seller of this one is a collector he may be feeling some remorse.

Russ, NCNE

seateddime · June 2, 2008 3:10AM

if that coin was offered to me raw for $20 I would have passed, that would have been a error,

it's like finding a 55 double die in a junk box

TAClough · June 2, 2008 3:12AM

<< BTW, the PCGS price guide is $2750.

Russ, NCNE >>

Wonder if they will change the price guide?

<< << well...i'm sure the seller has no remorse >> >>

I bet the buyer is happy

Russ · June 2, 2008 3:15AM

Did you grab this one, Tim?

Russ, NCNE

etexmike · June 2, 2008 3:23AM

...and I keep buying old coins, what am I thinking?

Mike

TAClough · June 2, 2008 3:26AM

<< Did you grab this one, Tim?

Russ, NCNE >>

Not me, I already had one but they don't come around to often in that grade, pop 3 / 1.

Bidding was high on the coins I was watching, I only picked up the 1965 PCGS MS65 Rotated Die, happy with the price.

jmj3esq · June 2, 2008 3:37AM

I had a home made one I sold a couple years ago to a forum member. I sold it for about 1/3 of that.

Tim knows something about that transaction.

Looks like you got a bargain.

jmski52 · June 2, 2008 3:46AM

I'm keeping my OBW rolls intact, and someday........just maybe someday...........

I can see my ebay auction now: BID HIGH - IMAGINE - YOU TOO COULD FIND THIS ONE-IN-A-MILLION COIN IN THIS ROLL!!!!!

TAClough · June 2, 2008 4:21AM

<< I had a home made one I sold a couple years ago to a forum member. I sold it for about 1/3 of that.

Tim knows something about that transaction.

Looks like you got a bargain. >>

Maybe, but I still like that Gettyberg that you weasled out of me

Steve27 · June 2, 2008 4:50AM

I hope it looks better than the pics:

CarlWohlforth · June 2, 2008 4:57AM

The die polish lines do look a bit distracting in those photos. The strike looks very good.

dizzyfoxx · June 2, 2008 5:01AM

Ouch!

NumisOxide · June 2, 2008 5:04AM

The power of plastic.

pennyannie · June 2, 2008 5:05AM

If i were the seller i would be happy.

57loaded · June 2, 2008 5:05AM

U-F-B

Boom · June 2, 2008 5:05AM

Wow! Man!

291fifth · June 2, 2008 5:10AM

Serious question:

If that coin were in an ANACS, ICG or NGC holder, what would it bring?

Based on the close up photos, the coin does nothing for me.

Russ · June 2, 2008 5:24AM

<< If that coin were in an ANACS, ICG or NGC holder, what would it bring? >>

ANACS and ICG, maybe $100. NGC, maybe $300.

Russ, NCNE

ILikeMercs · June 2, 2008 5:27AM

why is that not an SMS? I don't do halves or mint sets. What did I miss?

Russ · June 2, 2008 5:32AM

<< why is that not an SMS? >>

Because it doesn't say SMS on the label. Duh.

Russ, NCNE

Twincam · June 2, 2008 5:36AM

<< << why is that not an SMS? >> >>

<< Because it doesn't say SMS on the label. Duh.

>>

YaHa · June 2, 2008 5:43AM

I don't understand this game I have a Ms 1966 and it looks like a 70 to me. Maybe I will send off to SEGS and get it verified!!

Isn't SEGS pop for MS 70's for this year like 1/3,000, hell there were millions made, I should make out just fine.

DHeath · June 2, 2008 5:58AM

Getting PCGS to put a 66 in an MS67 non-sms holder might easily take $8000 worth of fees!

Russ · June 2, 2008 6:21AM

<< Getting PCGS to put a 66 in an MS67 non-sms holder might easily take $8000 worth of fees! >>

That pretty much sums it up, particularly when it's an un-toned coin.

Russ, NCNE

TAClough · June 2, 2008 6:33AM

<< I don't understand this game I have a Ms 1966 and it looks like a 70 to me. Maybe I will send off to SEGS and get it verified!!

Isn't SEGS pop for MS 70's for this year like 1/3,000, hell there were millions made, I should make out just fine.

>>

After reading your statement, I have to wonder if you even know what a MS60 coin looks like, let alone a MS70

Or maybe it is just that the TROLLS come out of the wood work on any type of thread

JMHO

TavernTreasures · June 2, 2008 6:34AM

How do the grading services know if the coin came out of a SMS or from a roll? Are there some characteristics that tip them off?

Russ · June 2, 2008 6:50AM

<< How do the grading services know if the coin came out of a SMS or from a roll? Are there some characteristics that tip them off? >>

Sometimes it's obvious, and sometimes it's a judgement call. When it's a judgement call on a high grade example it ends up in an SMS holder in the vast majority of cases. With this particular coin, I'd guess the heavy die polish and the weakness at the base of the shield tipped the balance in favor of business strike.

Russ, NCNE

TAClough · June 2, 2008 6:57AM

<< How do the grading services know if the coin came out of a SMS or from a roll? Are there some characteristics that tip them off? >>

This is an interesting question. You may want to read this thread for your answer. If you believe this, maybe I could sell you the "London Bridge" at a bargin price!

YaHa · June 2, 2008 7:10AM

<< 

<< I don't understand this game I have a Ms 1966 and it looks like a 70 to me. Maybe I will send off to SEGS and get it verified!!

Isn't SEGS pop for MS 70's for this year like 1/3,000, hell there were millions made, I should make out just fine.

>>

After reading your statement, I have to wonder if you even know what a MS60 coin looks like, let alone a MS70

Or maybe it is just that the TROLLS come out of the wood work on any type of thread

JMHO >>

If you say so. Can't even make a funny. Another knucklebuck on my list.

wondercoin · June 2, 2008 7:15AM

I bought (2) of the 1966 MS67 coins a few years back and sold off (1) coin and kept one for my MS set. I think the coin fetched around $2,000 or so way back when. From there, just a steady rise in price year after year after year. These great early MS kennedys don't get any easier to slab - they get tougher and tougher and, hence, more valuable IMHO.

Ditto for clad Washington quarters, Memorial cents, etc., etc. ,etc.

Wondercoin

Bear · June 2, 2008 7:24AM

For that kind of MoJo, I would

rather get a Seated Liberty Half.

oxy8890 · June 2, 2008 7:28AM

<< 

<< 

<< I don't understand this game I have a Ms 1966 and it looks like a 70 to me. Maybe I will send off to SEGS and get it verified!!

Isn't SEGS pop for MS 70's for this year like 1/3,000, hell there were millions made, I should make out just fine.

>>

After reading your statement, I have to wonder if you even know what a MS60 coin looks like, let alone a MS70

Or maybe it is just that the TROLLS come out of the wood work on any type of thread

JMHO >>

If you say so. Can't even make a funny. Another knucklebuck on my list.

>>

Why am I here?

cladking · June 2, 2008 7:41AM

<< Serious question:

If that coin were in an ANACS, ICG or NGC holder, what would it bring?

Based on the close up photos, the coin does nothing for me. >>

People who haven't looked for clad don't realize how tough they can be.

Silver clad was alot easier to find with nice strikes but was often even
tougher for clean surfaces. You could drive from bank to bank checking
rolls and never find anything nice. Many coins don't appear in mint sets
and you are dependent on someone having saved rolls and, of course,
even if you can find rolls time hasn't done anything to improve them.

cladking · June 2, 2008 7:49AM

I don't think the coin is SMS. It just doesn't look SMS.

They used what were essentially proof dies and this looks like a circulation die. It also
doesn't appear to have been struck with more tonnage. The strike is excellent and new
dies were used but with all this going for it the lettering would probably be filled to the
top if there were a high coinage force as was used in the SMS coins.

It's extremely unusual to see new dies which didn't originate in mint sets but every die
was new once.

LindeDad · June 2, 2008 8:30AM

Whoever was selling last night on teletrade made some very nice prices on a lot of coins. Not just this one but a whole group put the price guide to shame.
And my bids were blown out of the water early.

jmj3esq · June 2, 2008 10:39AM

Getting PCGS to put a 66 in an MS67 non-sms holder might easily take $8000 worth of fees!

How about sending in a raw 1966 bought for $4.50 and getting it in a PCGS MS67 slab on the first try. That would be a tough one.

jessewvu · June 2, 2008 10:48AM

whoever bought it should crack it out and clean it, make it look better.

LincolnsRule · June 2, 2008 10:50AM

Gosh dang Jmj. You should have offered out the 1966 to the highest bidder. It's been a top my want list for years. I knew this was going to happen. I would have happily paid you 2/3 of last night's price. Last nights coin didn't look nice enough for me to bid at any price, but over $7K is now out of my budget anyway. Somehow I'm just way out of the loop when it comes to low pop Kennedys. I've been looking for them for years and somehow don't have any.

uofa1285 · June 2, 2008 10:53AM

I would like to see that kind of record price this week on the Bay for my Top Pop 1967 SMS MS-67* Lincoln cent...I mean, we're talking in the same ball park here....kind of?

jmj3esq · June 2, 2008 11:04AM

Gosh dang Jmj. You should have offered out the 1966 to the highest bidder.

I was young and didnt know what I had. I did have a small bidding war. Besides, I now have about 5 of my nicest coins after I made that deal. I am still very pleased with how the transaction went down. It was a real turning point in my coin collecting. A big learning experience...for the good

eagle7 · June 2, 2008 11:09AM

Thank you for this thread Russ! I think this one was worth the money. Any clad business strike coin from 65 thru 70 is almost impossible to get graded ms67 at PCGS. And the full step nickels are almost just as elusive. This coin must have very nice eye appeal in person. It would have to have a gem + strike and gem + luster to get that grade.

telecoin · June 2, 2008 11:49AM

Well hello old friend...Its been a long time since I've seen you. I graded that coin (along with 3 1967's in MS67) on one invoice back in Jan '03. I have pictures of it along with one of the 1967's on my website. I sold it for a mere $700 back then. Not a bad increase in just 5 years. Shortly after that submission, PCGS began calling everything SMS and changed their grading standards.
It was actually kind of hazy (from being in a PVC flip submission holder) and had more contact than most would be comfortable with...but that was then and this is now. It appears to be in the same holder so I doubt it was "conserved", so I imagine the picture is actually a bit nicer than in hand. If it were cracked and resubmitted, I figure it would get a 64 (maybe even SMS). That's some expensive plastic!

I'm pretty sure this is a new record price for an MS67 Kennedy.

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