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1896 Barber half: a grading poll, plus your opinions on its originality, and eye appeal?

lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,871 ✭✭✭✭✭
Bought this from a forum member a while back. It is raw. I paid $70. Current Numismedia trends in F12 is $82, while 2008 Redbook says $85.

What say ye? VG10 or F12? (Or otherwise?) Nice eye appeal? I personally think so, for this grade level.

The VG10/F12 cusp is an important divide with Barber halves, too, I reckon. I sort of think this is a "market" F12; it's not a strong 12 contender in my book, but I think it just makes it. If it were to be considered VG10, though, I personally would put it in the top rank for that grade.

There's a very faint rim bump at 5:00 and a little peckmark on the eagle's tailfeathers, but I wouldn't call either of these severe enough to make this a "problem" coin.


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(PS: for the record, I voted "results only" so as not to skew the poll.)




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  • DUIGUYDUIGUY Posts: 7,252 ✭✭✭
    VG10.7 cause I don't know much about Barbers, lesson ya go to one to get a haircut. image
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  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hi Rob -

    Hmmm.... I would have to go solid VG10 on this bugger.

    Dave
    Always looking for original, better date VF20-VF35 Barber quarters and halves, and a quality beer.
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,871 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hmm.

    We started the poll with a F15 and it was looking good for me for a while there, but the VG10s are piling up now.

    Well, that's OK. I don't have a problem with owning a VG10 Barber half- in fact, I think the grade packs a lot of bang for the buck.

    The problem, in this particular case, is that I paid pretty much F12 money for it.

    I don't doubt I could sell it as a "market" F12 here locally, though. It's close enough.

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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,871 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Maybe I should buy a Dansco and use this as the first coin in that set of VG10-F12 Barber halves I've long thought about doing.

    Then again, the last thing I need is another project.

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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,871 ✭✭✭✭✭
    F12 is catching up to VG10 and is now only one vote behind... image

    (Edit... and has now pulled into the lead. This is interesting.)

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  • TheRavenTheRaven Posts: 4,148 ✭✭✭✭
    I would go F-12

    Eye Appeal is pretty good.....

    I don't think you can get that for VG money anyplace in my experience.....
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  • dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭
    Definitely a market 12...if it was mintmarked it would be a market 15.
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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,685 ✭✭✭✭✭
    F12. No dealer is going to sell that coin for VG money.
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,871 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks, fellas.

    Exactly as I'd thought.

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  • tombrtombr Posts: 863 ✭✭
    VG10---------I don't think so. VF20 details. Look at the leaves behind the ear. Good detail still there. Eagles feather look nice. The spot on the tail, and the mark on the cheek may knock her down to F15. would have to see it in hand. Original? Looks okay, but again, need to see it in hand. IMHO image
  • I would have voted F-15, but because of the small rim nick and the peck on the tail, I voted F-12. Looks original though.
  • EdscoinEdscoin Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭
    I voted F-12. Way better details than VG -10
    ED
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  • StuartStuart Posts: 9,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Rob: I voted F-12 because I can read the word Liberty (more than 3 letters) on Liberty's crown.

    Stuart

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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,871 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's nice to see some Barber folks throwing roses instead of rotten tomatoes. Gives me a warmer feelin' about this one. image

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  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

    Its clearly an F 12 - and a decent one at that.

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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,871 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well... not quite. I just bought this as a nice coin for resale, that's all.

    But as I've hinted, I've kicked around the idea of doing a VG10-F12 set in a Dansco. This would would be a perfect starter for such a set.

    I have too many other projects going right now or I would be strongly tempted to try that. If the coin does not sell, I might yet attempt it.

    We shall see.

    I have shown some symptoms so far, but the lab tests have not yet come back to confirm whether or not I'm truly bitten by the Barber bug. image

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  • RayboRaybo Posts: 5,339 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It looks fine to me.
    It was 12 something A.M. when I voted so I had to go F12.

    Ray
  • DUIGUYDUIGUY Posts: 7,252 ✭✭✭
    VF10.7 is dang close to .............
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,871 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah, you're allowed a 0.3 point curve. image

    Edit to add: in the wee hours last night when I posted this, it looked like the VGs were gonna have it, too, until the day shift came on.

    Night owls must be stricter graders. image

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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,871 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Tell y'all what.

    This is my last post before goin' diggin' today, so if I find a Barber coin while detecting today (ANY Barber coin), I will purchase an album for halves and begin collecting them in VG-F. And the coin above will be the first in my set, unless the person I offered it to previously decides he wants it.

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  • veryfineveryfine Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭
    I would say F12. Why would anyone assign anything lower than a Fine for this coin? I am very curious about your line of thinking.
  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,779 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This coin is a F-12 and closer to 15 than vg-10. This is a coin you see at shows dealers calling f+ or even higher all day
  • BjornBjorn Posts: 538 ✭✭✭
    Technically I would call it VG10 due to the hairband and the overall reverse, but the obverse is otherwise closer to F12. Would probably go for F12 money.
  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 4,074 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is a solid F12 and possibly an F15 but I cannot discern how clear "liberty" is. The rim nick may knock it down, but it is still F12 and very original IMO.
    3 rim nicks away from Good
  • dsessomdsessom Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Im no pro, but I own more Barbers than anything. If I were buying it, I would consider it a solid F12. Liberty looks full, rims are nearly perfect, and you can even see the pin stripes on the shield on reverse. That's a nice looking Barber. I personally like the eye appeal of the F12 to VF30 naturally toned coins as opposed to bright higher grades.
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  • robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    F12... Nice original surfaces also.
  • Nice and Original F-12
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  • ARCOARCO Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭✭✭
    F-12 - F15, but closer to a F-12.

    Original color, with only the wingtip mark as slightly problematic. The 1896-P is a nice find in F-XF. Along with the 1894 it is the hardest P mint of the 1890's in the Half series.
  • F-12 all day long...

    I'm not at home with my ANA grading guide handy but as i recall...

    All letters in Liberty visible though may some be weak...

    Top row of leaves boldly outlined while bottom row may be worn flat in places...

    All letters in reverse scroll visible with half the details in the wings remain.


    Also add that this appears to be a very original coin...the rim bump is minimal and probably is not as noticeable in hand...

    These days original Barber 25c & 50c in F-AU are often blowing right past any coin value guides...on certain dates they are going for double trends...

    This coin should go for strong F12 $...I would say more except for the rim bump...IMHO


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  • ricmanricman Posts: 313 ✭✭✭
    You are not likely to see any other coins this nice offered as VG 10. I vote for an eye-appealing F12
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd say Fine-12 sharpness, but the rim thing knocks two points off it to a VG-10.

    As for originality, the lighter devices look odd, but overall I'd say for a coin like this, it was be called original.
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  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd say Fine-12 sharpness, but the rim thing knocks two points off it to a VG-10.

    I agree exactly.

    The rim bump bothers me, but the coin is very original. If you showed a close-up of the word LIBERTY on the headband, I bet all the people saying VG-10 would bump it up to F-12.

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