Just bought the overton book.....

Dennis88 · March 11, 2004 2:12AM

Hello everyone,

I've just bought my first specialised book, the overton book with almost every early half dollar die variety. I still have to wait the bill for the shipping costs, because I live in the Netherlands I guess it is a little......High:-(

Because I will have to wait more than a month before the book arrives (I can only pay next month), can everyone who collects these coins show me some nice stuff and maybe a few pages from the overton book?? I'm really curious how it looks.

Let's see some cool stuff.....

Dennis

LanLord · March 11, 2004 2:20AM

I don't have anything to show at this time, I am at work.

But you made a great investment. If you are interested in the early half dollars, you will have a great deal of

information at your fingertips and enjoyment aplenty

Placid · March 11, 2004 2:34AM

Woodwind · March 11, 2004 2:54AM

I just got the Overton book too. It was supposed to be a Christmas present from my parents but it arrived late and I didn't get the chance to pick it up until a couple of weeks ago.

I find the edge lettering errors interesting. I have an 1833 in VF with "FIFTY CENTS ORLF A DOLLAR". The OR in "ORLF" can clearly be seen over "HA" sort of like an overdate or over mint mark. Cool stuff.

Considering their age, I find the series to still be a good bargain.

I'm sure I'll have my share of questions for other more experienced bust half collectors.

Dennis88 · March 11, 2004 2:57AM

BTW is the book really up to date, or are there changes made by others.....??

Dennis88 · March 11, 2004 4:06AM

No one else??? Have to know other opinions + pics from coins

Dennis

RotatedRainbows · March 11, 2004 4:11AM

Here is a recent thread showing pictures of Bust Halves. Bust Coin Thread

Dennis88 · March 12, 2004 1:15AM

That were nice pics. Anymore?? Maybe pages from the book.....

Dennis

baccaruda · March 12, 2004 1:17AM

Here's on to identify:

Baley · March 12, 2004 1:28AM

Here are a couple coins to attribute

Baley · March 12, 2004 1:29AM

Now, what die marriage is this coin?

Dennis88 · March 12, 2004 1:30AM

Thanks!!!

I really can't wait till the book arrives. I hope I will survive the month..

Dennis

Dennis88 · March 12, 2004 1:37AM

Obv 2 Rev B???

Dennis88 · March 12, 2004 1:43AM

Looked a bit closer at it, and in my opinion it is obv 3 rev. b

Baley · March 12, 2004 1:49AM

here's an old thread about this coin and it's attribution

some of these can be kind of tricky!

Dennis88 · March 12, 2004 1:54AM

So my second one was the good one. What's my price???

Serious, that was quite funny...

Dennis

Nysoto · March 12, 2004 2:14AM

Baley,

Still not convinced your coin is O.104.

Baley · March 12, 2004 2:29AM

I have to run off to work, will try to get this coin from the bank and take better pics soon. I would LOVE it if it were a previously unknown marriage

Conder101 · March 12, 2004 3:27AM

One problem is that the picture is taken at an angle which makes it very hard to determine relationships between features accurately. You can't tell if the serif of the Y is above the T, it appeas in Baleys picture that the lower right serif of the I is lower than the serif of the B which would elininate 104, but the lower LEFT serif of the I appears to be lower than the L which eliminates EVERYTHING. But is this true or just a trick of the angled picture? (On the reverse the position of the arrows relative to the in UNITED immediately eliminate all reverses except B & D, and the upper left berry being clear of the leaf above it eliminates rev D. So it is rev B.) Also from the angled picture I can't tell where the point of the 1 touches the curl. On obv 2 it points to the curl higher up than it does on obv 3. Another problem is star 9. On both obv 2 & 3 point #3 (inner point between stars 9 & 10) is very close to Star 10 point 5 . On Baileys coin the points are well seperated.

Nysoto · March 12, 2004 5:02AM

Without a doubt it is reverse B. Three items don't match with Ob. 3. The lumps between S2 and S3 next to the rim should be apparent, I own a VG8 and a PCGS XF45, the lumps are distinctive and match the Overton plate. Yours could be an unlisted very early state 104 without the lumps.

The distance between S7 and L is greater on yours, but it could be the angle of the photo.

O.104 has a sunken obverse die that is very weak in the center on the Overton plate and both of my coins. Also the 5/01 Superior finest known example MS64 (misattributed as 103) has weak centers with less hair detail than yours. Again yours could be a very early 104 before the die sunk, which would make it a 104' or 104 prime.

Also 104 is a sleeper rarity, few auction records, it was just listed as an R.5 in the latest JRCS census of preturb halves.

Dennis88 · March 12, 2004 10:27PM

Feel bad.... I had to pay $35 shipping costs, and that was a bit too high......

Hopefully I can find the book here in Holland.

Dennis

Baley · March 12, 2004 10:55PM

dennis, sorry you won't be getting the book soon, good luck looking for it over there!

I did go get the coin out of the bank yesterday, will post new pics in the original thread, hijack over now

Conder101 · March 13, 2004 4:45AM

Thanks for the better pictures.

That obverse doesn't match anything in Overton that I can see.

The reverse is definitely Rev B. The 1 in the date points much too low on the curl and the Y is no above the T so it can't be Obv 2. That only leaves Obv 3 but star 1 is too close to the curl, the points between stars 4 and 5 are much too far apart as are the points between stars 8&9 and 9 & 10. Finally the I is definitely lower than the L in Liberty and that isn't true on any of the obverses pictured in Overton.

Nysoto speculates on a very early die state of 104 but on early states the stars would be closer together not further apart. A very late state of 104 after polishing of the die might explain the missing lumps (polished away) and the wider apart stars, but not star 1 being closer to the curl or the I being low. This would be a good candidate for an overlay between baileys coin and an O-104.

Baley · March 13, 2004 4:51AM

this one continues to puzzle me

The relationships of the star points to the milling look correct for the 104 (S1B, S7UE, S8UE, S13B) but I could just as easily call 7 and 8 as pointing between denticles. BUT star 1 looks like it is only 1 mm from curl, not 1 1/2. Al O. doesn't give a measurement, but it looks like star 7 is farther from the L than on his example, but not as far as on Obverse 1?. I do not see much when I look closely for the diagnostic lumps near the milling between stars 2 and 3:

we need Nysoto (or someone else) to post a pic of one of his O-104s

I dont see no danged lumps, well maybe tiny tiny ones if i use my imagination

Baley · March 14, 2004 3:27AM

Anyone with the Overton book, is there something we're "over" looking here?

Stuart · March 14, 2004 3:34AM

Dennis88: Here is an 1826 Capped Bust Half that I purchased in January that I thought you may enjoy seeing -- per your image request:
(I have also taken the liberty of including an 1857 Seated Liberty Half that I picked up the same day -- they complement each other very nicely)...

Baley · May 20, 2004 5:19PM

Nice coin Stuart, lots of detail and looks to have some luster, but I think the toning ends kind of abruptly.
your capped bust pics seem to have turned into red x's, though.

BTW, for those interested in draped bust halves, it looks like that 1807 might really be a new die variety with a previously unknown obverse die, married to Reverse B, a discovery that we're tentitively calling O.115 pending an in person inspection and hopefully confirmation by the experts in these types of coins.

June 3rd, the first day of the Long Beach Expo, I guess we'll find out!

Dennis88 · June 5, 2004 4:58AM

TTT

New discovery!!!!!

Dennis

route66 · June 5, 2004 6:19AM

Dennis,
You should be able to get that book delivered to you by Global Air envelope for $9.00 It takes about 6 days. Global Express takes about 4 days and costs $35.00. It's quite a savings. for 1-3 days. The book will fit in an
Global envelope. If you still decide to pay the $35.00, make sure they don't rip you off and ship it Global Air instead of Express. JUMO. Steve

Just bought the overton book.....

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