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Poll: When you are purchasing a coin for your collection, how important do you believe the seller is

RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
And before you answer, "Not at all important, I know best!", please consider the possibility that the coin/slab may be counterfeit, the coin might be stolen, the role of the seller in the marketplace, previous experience (or lack thereof) with the seller, the expertise and reputation of the seller, and other issues that go beyond one's ability to judge whether the coin is suitable for your collection.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I answered #2 because the stolen goods angle. Since most of my coins have come from established dealers, the selling of stolen goods problem is low, but there have been some people I knew were into shady practices, and I avoided them.

    The phrase “buying from the devil” comes into play for the few dealers I don’t like or who have tried to beat me in the past. Since I think I know what I’m doing, I’ll “buy from the devil” if “the devil” has what I want, but most of the time prices that are too high are one of the hallmarks of “devils.” I rarely buy from “devils” because usually they are far down on my list of "dealers to see" when I go to a show. Therefore I don’t spend a lot of time reviewing their inventory.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • MoldnutMoldnut Posts: 3,113 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I answered #2 because the stolen goods angle. Since most of my coins have come from established dealers, the selling of stolen goods problem is low, but there have been some people I knew were into shady practices, and I avoided them.

    The phrase “buying from the devil” comes into play for the few dealers I don’t like or who have tried to beat me in the past. Since I think I know what I’m doing, I’ll “buy from the devil” if “the devil” has what I want, but most of the time prices that are too high are one of the hallmarks of “devils.” I rarely buy from “devils” because usually they are far down on my list of "dealers to see" when I go to a show. Therefore I don’t spend a lot of time reviewing their inventory. >>



    Interesting. Would most specialty dealers fall under the "devil" category as their inventory is largely overpriced.

    BTW, I voted #2 as well.
    Derek

    EAC 6024
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Interesting. Would most specialty dealers fall under the "devil" category as their inventory is largely overpriced.

    I cannot concur with this generalization. I have seen it both ways (actually, all four ways).

    I answered #3, but sometimes I shade more toward #2 and others toward #4. It really depends a lot on the coin and transaction details.
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    At my level of collecting and the kinds of coins I can afford to buy, it makes little difference who owned them before me
    there are a few dealers I've had multiple transactions with and prefer to do business with, as long as the coin and price are right, but mostly it has been ebay and my price for the items, from hundreds of different sellers
    I voted #1

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  • MoldnutMoldnut Posts: 3,113 ✭✭✭✭
    I agree, that is why I said "most" specialty dealers. I would buy Seated and Bust coins from say, Brian Greer, the others no. Not that I consider the others the "devil" but...
    Derek

    EAC 6024
  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I answered #4 because I simply don't have the patience needed to wade through mounds of stuff that I am unlikely to be the slightest bit interested in, or put up with hard-sell antics that leave me feeling like the seller is trying to dump a piece of junk. There are ca. a dozen dealers that I prefer to deal with, and they all are interested in making two-way markets for what they have for sale.
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  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623
    I picked moderate but not because of my reliance on them on the sell side of the deal. I need a good dealer to weed out the good coins and bring them out of hiding which is harder than most collectors think. I need a dealer to work hard knowing the players in their market and fostering a reputation of strong prices paid for strong coins and then only bringing home A stuff form the auctions. I consider that where a Dealer earns his chops and that is where I need a good one.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,793 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I answered #2 because the stolen goods angle. Since most of my coins have come from established dealers, the selling of stolen goods problem is low, but there have been some people I knew were into shady practices, and I avoided them.

    The phrase “buying from the devil” comes into play for the few dealers I don’t like or who have tried to beat me in the past. Since I think I know what I’m doing, I’ll “buy from the devil” if “the devil” has what I want, but most of the time prices that are too high are one of the hallmarks of “devils.” I rarely buy from “devils” because usually they are far down on my list of "dealers to see" when I go to a show. Therefore I don’t spend a lot of time reviewing their inventory. >>



    Interesting. Would most specialty dealers fall under the "devil" category as their inventory is largely overpriced.

    BTW, I voted #2 as well. >>



    Some, but not all. My main issue with many dealers is selling coins that have had work done on them without mentioning the fact that coin had fixed. Slabs have knocked down a lot of this, but not all of it. I've found that some of the dealers who used to try to sell repaired stuff without marking it as such now are just high priced and prone to selling pieces that have been lightly cleaned but slabbed as "original."
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • DeepCoinDeepCoin Posts: 2,781 ✭✭✭
    I answered number four, but rereading the question, it specified seller, not dealer. I have bought and sold from a number of follks here and some of the best transactions were friends collecting the same series. Thus, it is very important to me. Dealers only is quite a different issue with a different answer for me. That said, I do tend to buy from certain dealers because of both trust, information and the quality of coins plus service offered.
    Retired United States Mint guy, now working on an Everyman Type Set.
  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
    For me personally it's somewhere between moderate and extereme. I know what I like when I see it but at the same time, I feel it is wise to take advantage of dealers (or fellow collectors who are selling) that know a helluva lot more than me, and have much more experience in the hobby. It just makes good sense.
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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    door number 4 please

    MJ
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  • michiganboymichiganboy Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭
    I picked moderate because I like to be able to ask advice and feel comfortable, but also just like the talk to dealers and share interests in the hobby.
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  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the more I know the more I move down to 4
    LCoopie = Les

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