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My San Francisco ANA report...
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First of all I want to say it was a pleasure meeting all the board members I did there. Some were a reunion, others were a first time meeting. Airplanenut, Jrgman, Foodude, Rkkay, Boiler78, Wayne Herndon, Kieferscoins, Tootawl, Eagleeye, and possibly others who might have dropped by but didn't introduce themselves.
The show was an unusual one, and as others have reported, I believe the floor plan was a bad pick. The show was on three levels, and only the bourse was difficult for the public to find. I doubt that had a lot of bearing on the bigger money spent because most of the public I did see were tire kickers. I worked with Long Island Numismatics while there and there was very little public buying from our table.
A few really neat things happened at the show that are of consequence to me...
1. The very first coin was slabbed by ANACS that shows my die system - an AU58 example of 1911D-1OM-001, a very scarce D/S OMM. Michael Fahey of ANACS required some convincing, so I came prepared with microphotos, overlays, and the like. The coin belongs to the exact same die published in the HUB, Nov/Dec 2001. Only four specimens of his die are known to date. Anyhow, this coin and the holder around it marks a milestone in numismatics, because this is the first time a coin has been encapsulated using a die system that's main public focus is on the internet.
2. I met up with James Taylor, former President of ICG and now President of ANACS. This is a big step forward in my relationship with ANACS because I have always gotten along really well with James, and now we will be working together more closely than before because the decision makers at ICG had decided not to recognize my die system. Now that James works with the company that recognizes the system, we will be in touch, which is a plus.
3. The second edition of my book, "Looking Through Lincoln Cents," was released to the public, although in small quantities. 56 paperbacks were opened at the show, roughly 30 of them sold. I didn't sign very many, probably a dozen altogether.
4. Nuismatic News editor Dave Harper showed interest in publishing the fact that my die system finally made it into a slab, he came over to the table and took my photo with the coin - I will be sending close-ups to him this week with a story so he can publish it. Looks like my mug is going into the news.
5. CoinAge magazine approached me regarding some free lance writing. I'd like to be able to go into further detail with this one, but don't really know a whole lot more.
6. Whitman publishing approached me and wants to see the manuscript and layout for the digital photography book I'm working on. Now I have two publishers interested in that one.
7. I met Dr. Sol Taylor, author of the Standard Guide to the Lincoln Cent and founder of the Society of Lincoln Cent Collectors. He's a very interesting person to talk to. We had a nearly two-hour conversation that evolved into my becoming the editor of the club newsletter and possible future owner of the rights to the name and club. If that happens I plan to take the club online. It was founded in 1968, has been issuing a newsletter quarterly to its members since then, but still yet remains virtually non-existant on the web. That needs to change.
8. Last but not least - I said before that I had a chance to talk with James Taylor and that he had moved to ANACS. Well, he was carrying around something that he was showing to choice individuals, and I was one of those choice individuals. No details here because I told him I wouldn't blow the secret - but ANACS is testing slab designs, and the one I saw was nice!!
That's my report. I didn't even bother attending any of the auctions, very few coins that would have been of interest to me anyway, and most of the time even those go for more than double what I would be willing to spend on them. I figured my time was much more wisely spent working downstairs talking to people, socializing, and making sure more people heard my name. Like I've said before and said many times this past week - I'm not a dealer, I don't have it in me. I'm a collector at heart and a researcher/writer. Sitting behind a table dealing coins is about the most boring thing I can imagine, and I did plenty of it during this show. I'm permanently cured of ever wanting to be a dealer, especially with the very low money traffic at this show.
The show was an unusual one, and as others have reported, I believe the floor plan was a bad pick. The show was on three levels, and only the bourse was difficult for the public to find. I doubt that had a lot of bearing on the bigger money spent because most of the public I did see were tire kickers. I worked with Long Island Numismatics while there and there was very little public buying from our table.
A few really neat things happened at the show that are of consequence to me...
1. The very first coin was slabbed by ANACS that shows my die system - an AU58 example of 1911D-1OM-001, a very scarce D/S OMM. Michael Fahey of ANACS required some convincing, so I came prepared with microphotos, overlays, and the like. The coin belongs to the exact same die published in the HUB, Nov/Dec 2001. Only four specimens of his die are known to date. Anyhow, this coin and the holder around it marks a milestone in numismatics, because this is the first time a coin has been encapsulated using a die system that's main public focus is on the internet.
2. I met up with James Taylor, former President of ICG and now President of ANACS. This is a big step forward in my relationship with ANACS because I have always gotten along really well with James, and now we will be working together more closely than before because the decision makers at ICG had decided not to recognize my die system. Now that James works with the company that recognizes the system, we will be in touch, which is a plus.
3. The second edition of my book, "Looking Through Lincoln Cents," was released to the public, although in small quantities. 56 paperbacks were opened at the show, roughly 30 of them sold. I didn't sign very many, probably a dozen altogether.
4. Nuismatic News editor Dave Harper showed interest in publishing the fact that my die system finally made it into a slab, he came over to the table and took my photo with the coin - I will be sending close-ups to him this week with a story so he can publish it. Looks like my mug is going into the news.
5. CoinAge magazine approached me regarding some free lance writing. I'd like to be able to go into further detail with this one, but don't really know a whole lot more.
6. Whitman publishing approached me and wants to see the manuscript and layout for the digital photography book I'm working on. Now I have two publishers interested in that one.
7. I met Dr. Sol Taylor, author of the Standard Guide to the Lincoln Cent and founder of the Society of Lincoln Cent Collectors. He's a very interesting person to talk to. We had a nearly two-hour conversation that evolved into my becoming the editor of the club newsletter and possible future owner of the rights to the name and club. If that happens I plan to take the club online. It was founded in 1968, has been issuing a newsletter quarterly to its members since then, but still yet remains virtually non-existant on the web. That needs to change.
8. Last but not least - I said before that I had a chance to talk with James Taylor and that he had moved to ANACS. Well, he was carrying around something that he was showing to choice individuals, and I was one of those choice individuals. No details here because I told him I wouldn't blow the secret - but ANACS is testing slab designs, and the one I saw was nice!!
That's my report. I didn't even bother attending any of the auctions, very few coins that would have been of interest to me anyway, and most of the time even those go for more than double what I would be willing to spend on them. I figured my time was much more wisely spent working downstairs talking to people, socializing, and making sure more people heard my name. Like I've said before and said many times this past week - I'm not a dealer, I don't have it in me. I'm a collector at heart and a researcher/writer. Sitting behind a table dealing coins is about the most boring thing I can imagine, and I did plenty of it during this show. I'm permanently cured of ever wanting to be a dealer, especially with the very low money traffic at this show.
C. D. Daughtrey, NLG
The Lincoln cent store:
http://www.lincolncent.com
My numismatic art work:
http://www.cdaughtrey.com
USAF veteran, 1986-1996 :: support our troops - the American way.
The Lincoln cent store:
http://www.lincolncent.com
My numismatic art work:
http://www.cdaughtrey.com
USAF veteran, 1986-1996 :: support our troops - the American way.
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Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
<< <i>When you talked to James Taylor, did he say that they would allow coins in the old holders to be reslabbed into the new holders? >>
I didn't ask him anything like that. I would assume, however, for a reholder fee you could get any coin into a new holder. I think it's $5 or $6 per coin.
The Lincoln cent store:
http://www.lincolncent.com
My numismatic art work:
http://www.cdaughtrey.com
USAF veteran, 1986-1996 :: support our troops - the American way.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
<< <i>8. Last but not least - I said before that I had a chance to talk with James Taylor and that he had moved to ANACS. Well, he was carrying around something that he was showing to choice individuals, and I was one of those choice individuals. No details here because I told him I wouldn't blow the secret - but ANACS is testing slab designs, and the one I saw was nice!! >>
You won't blow the secret but post that they are testing new slab designs? That sounds like blowing the secret to me!
Cameron Kiefer
By the way, you did look really bored as a dealer!!
Maybe the secret is not the new slab design (widely anticipated) but that it can sing and dance like the Michigan frog!
Didn't wanna get me no trade
Never want to be like papa
Working for the boss every night and day
--"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
It was a power struggle between him and Kiefer - Taylor lost.
Networking CD! You're on your way to the top!
Lakesammman - You mean to tell me that I met you and didn't know who you were? Were you the one sleeping at the opposite end of the dinner table? I would have talked to you more had I known that was you...
Longacre - No knowledge of the particulars regarding James leaving ICG. All I know is that he left, went to ANACS. I met the new President of ICG - Cameron brought him by our table and I had a chance to help Cameron give him a little of the low down on slab history. Seems like a pretty nice guy.
The Lincoln cent store:
http://www.lincolncent.com
My numismatic art work:
http://www.cdaughtrey.com
USAF veteran, 1986-1996 :: support our troops - the American way.
The Lincoln cent store:
http://www.lincolncent.com
My numismatic art work:
http://www.cdaughtrey.com
USAF veteran, 1986-1996 :: support our troops - the American way.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
<< <i>
7. I met Dr. Sol Taylor, author of the Standard Guide to the Lincoln Cent and founder of the Society of Lincoln Cent Collectors. He's a very interesting person to talk to. We had a nearly two-hour conversation that evolved into my becoming the editor of the club newsletter and possible future owner of the rights to the name and club. If that happens I plan to take the club online. It was founded in 1968, has been issuing a newsletter quarterly to its members since then, but still yet remains virtually non-existant on the web. That needs to change. >>
Chuck,
First of all, congratulations on your networking experiences at the ANA convention. I'm sure the future will be very positive for you.
I wanted to comment about Sol Taylor and the Society of Lincoln Cent collectors. (SLCC). I have been a member since 1983 and I believe the organization was started in 1982. Sol has worked hard over the years to publish the quarterly "Lincoln Sense" and conduct the auctions. Your involvement will certainly bring new people into the organization. I assume you have read the Stand Guide to the Lincoln Cent which has now been published in 4 editions. Getting this organization on the Web would be great.
Steve
My Complete PROOF Lincoln Cent with Major Varieties(1909-2015)Set Registry
Regarding the SLCC, perhaps it was 1982 that Sol founded the club...something about 1968 sticks in my mind with him. I know he said something about 1968 because that was the year I was born. I must have mistakenly thought that's when the club was founded. Perhaps he started buying collections in 1968. Something. Geesh, next time I go to a major show and talk to someone I'm gonna record the conversation...with permission of course.
The Lincoln cent store:
http://www.lincolncent.com
My numismatic art work:
http://www.cdaughtrey.com
USAF veteran, 1986-1996 :: support our troops - the American way.
<< <i>It all sounds great. When's the book going to get to Borders though? >>
Not sure on that - there's a good question for my publisher. They have to send off courtesy copies to each of the book sellers and give them the low-down on price, etc. As I understand it the selection process can take months before the book seller actually orders...but when they do, it's usually thousands of copies ($$$).
The Lincoln cent store:
http://www.lincolncent.com
My numismatic art work:
http://www.cdaughtrey.com
USAF veteran, 1986-1996 :: support our troops - the American way.
Maybe now that tey're owned by a more (apparently) progressive company maybe we'll see some inovation.
<< <i>No details on the ANACS slab - sorry. Not sure how much I should say >>
I read your reply but don't think it should have been posted here. James Taylor showed select dealers (like you said) to get feedback. Not to announce it on a message board. Thats my opinion and the way he presented it to me.
Overall it was a good show and I really enjoyed reading your show report. True and unbiased.
Cameron Kiefer
rabbitracks toned showcase set
myurl
I hate the idea of a slab change at ANACS. I like their slabs the best. Maybe they need to have a larger size for cob coins and the like but... I like the smaller slabs. I hope a new slab is not just an excuse to raise their fees.
It's not that they need to generate more work. They have the biggest backlog in the TPG industry. Don't even consider sending them anything economy! They need more graders, and to be brought into the internet age.
NoEbayAuctionsForNow
The Lincoln cent store:
http://www.lincolncent.com
My numismatic art work:
http://www.cdaughtrey.com
USAF veteran, 1986-1996 :: support our troops - the American way.
<< <i>ANACS should offer an option-the current size slab for those who like them and a large, PCGS size slab with a different insert color and design. >>
I agree. PCGS should also offer the option of a smaller slab for those who prefer to keep their coins in a safe deposite box.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
<< <i>3. The second edition of my book, "Looking Through Lincoln Cents," was released to the public, although in small quantities. 56 paperbacks were opened at the show, roughly 30 of them sold. I didn't sign very many, probably a dozen altogether. >>
?
Is this a different version ?
<< <i>If its a secret you can PM me >>
Different from the one sold last year? Yes...it has over 50 new photos. Some replacements of photos that I was not happy with from the original edition, some new photos of either recently acquired varieties or recently discovered varieties. There are also new captions with a number of them. There is also an entire chapter on the classes of hub doubling, definitions and images of each, and a couple of pages that center on non-collectible (machine) doubling.
Different from the one pre-sold three weeks ago? No...this is the edition people paid for this past month that I am still awaiting shipment on. I called the publisher yesterday, and he said they were going out today. They are really busy having just come out with at least three different titles in the same month, and are a bit backlogged. They did have two cases at the ANA show - one for the ANA money store, and one to a book dealer who is going to be one of the major distributors of the book. None for me.
The Lincoln cent store:
http://www.lincolncent.com
My numismatic art work:
http://www.cdaughtrey.com
USAF veteran, 1986-1996 :: support our troops - the American way.
Thanks
My EBay Store/Auctions
I know you will keep the ANACS secret, but can you tell us if you liked the new ANACS slab that you saw better than the present PCGS or NGC slab?
The Lincoln cent store:
http://www.lincolncent.com
My numismatic art work:
http://www.cdaughtrey.com
USAF veteran, 1986-1996 :: support our troops - the American way.
The Ludlow Brilliant Collection (1938-64)
<< <i>Don't even consider sending them anything economy! >>
Oh goody goody goody.
Just sent a cheapskate batch yesterday.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I thought the exhibits were great and I liked the selection of nice coins that all the dealers had.