Seven ASE 25th Anniversary submission results from the PCGS Shared Orders page. Your comments will b

Goldbully · November 23, 2011 11:08AM

Reviewing these submissions, it appears that the Pops report will be a more realistic mix in the next few weeks.

Here are 11/20/11 Pops ..............

Here are latest Pops(11/27/11)

Here are the seven latest ASE 25th Anniversary submissions........

blu62vette · November 23, 2011 11:21AM

you know my thoughts....

relicsncoins · November 23, 2011 11:29AM

I'm suprised there are not more down in the 66-67 range do to the coins not being packed very well by the mint. There are several reports of coins completely out of the capsules and just clanking around in the box.

Goldbully · November 23, 2011 11:39AM

<< you know my thoughts.... >>

I do I do!!

BTW, my "sealed box" that I dropped off in Baltimore to PCGS....well it finally posted at 5:00pm EST today!!!
It's always a relief when you see that your submission is safe and sound with a status of "OK"

AnkurJ · November 23, 2011 12:26PM

Graded sets are going to drop in value rather quickly from the frenzy drived peak with pops like this.

GrumpyEd · November 23, 2011 12:27PM

Interesting, almost none below 68 and a lot of 70s.

I'm sure the 70s drop when they update the pops but it still looks like the quality on these must be pretty good.

braddick · November 23, 2011 12:30PM

Yes, but to get a complete set in 70 will require a bunch of broken up sets.
The value will remain for this grade.

There's an allure to PR/MS70 that can't be shaken, even with high(er) pop reports.

jdimmick · November 23, 2011 12:33PM

Ill probably get booted for saying this, but the overall pop numbers dont seem to jive with the 5 submissions you have posted. It seems like to me that the 5 submissions are from regular submitters, and the majority of the pop reports tend to indicate the grades the larger submitters(the larger companies that got them in first) recived in leu of the avg submitter.

ClinkinKY · November 23, 2011 12:37PM

Just got my grades, I'm pretty pleased

Order #20552823 / Submission #4458495
Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
1 1 20726912 509408 2011 $1 Silver Eagle USA MS70
1 2 20726913 509408 2011 $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
1 3 20726914 509408 2011 $1 Silver Eagle USA MS70
1 4 20726915 509408 2011 $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
1 5 20726916 509408 2011 $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
2 1 20726917 509189 2011-S $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
2 2 20726918 509189 2011-S $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
2 3 20726919 509189 2011-S $1 Silver Eagle USA MS70
2 4 20726920 509189 2011-S $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
2 5 20726921 509189 2011-S $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
3 1 20726922 509409 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
3 2 20726923 509409 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA MS70
3 3 20726924 509409 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA MS70
3 4 20726925 509409 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA MS70
3 5 20726926 509409 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
4 1 20726927 509410 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA PR70DC
4 2 20726928 509410 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA PR68DC
4 3 20726929 509410 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA PR69DC
4 4 20726930 509410 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA PR69DC
4 5 20726931 509410 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA PR69DC
5 1 20726932 509194 2011-P $1 Silver Eagle Reverse PR USA PR70
5 2 20726933 509194 2011-P $1 Silver Eagle Reverse PR USA PR70
5 3 20726934 509194 2011-P $1 Silver Eagle Reverse PR USA PR69
5 4 20726935 509194 2011-P $1 Silver Eagle Reverse PR USA PR69
5 5 20726936 509194 2011-P $1 Silver Eagle Reverse PR USA PR70
Total Items: 25
Date Received: 11/14/2011
Date Shipped: N/A
Order Status: OK
Your Orders

braddick · November 23, 2011 12:40PM

<< Ill probably get booted for saying this, but the overall pop numbers dont seem to jive with the 5 submissions you have posted. It seems like to me that the 5 submissions are from regular submitters, and the majority of the pop reports tend to indicate the grades the larger submitters(the larger companies that got them in first) recived in leu of the avg submitter. >>

First, I think you're wrong, as your theory would require some type of conspiracy on PCGS's part.
Secondly though, why would you think you'd get booted for expressing your opinion?

Zrider · November 23, 2011 12:42PM

1tommy · November 23, 2011 12:42PM

<< Ill probably get booted for saying this, but the overall pop numbers dont seem to jive with the 5 submissions you have posted. It seems like to me that the 5 submissions are from regular submitters, and the majority of the pop reports tend to indicate the grades the larger submitters(the larger companies that got them in first) recived in leu of the avg submitter. >>

I have already said the first pops reported were showing almost 50 percent or more I am sure were dealers submitting 20 boxes at a time asking for minimum grade of 69. Only 69 and 70 will show up, Now lets go by the results posted lately by collectors, 70's are closer to 30 to 40 percent and there has been reports of a 66. In the next few weeks I think were gonna see a swing in the pops and it will show ones that got dinged around in shipping. Enjoy

Dice21 · November 23, 2011 12:42PM

You weren't supposed to say that!!..............100K mintage.........40K sitting in collectors closets..........40K sent in for grading (either here or across the street).............20K for sale around every venue............and some incomplete sets because of selling the 2 key coins......you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see there won't be enough to go around...........and the graded 70 sets are CHEAP CHEAP right now!!..........but the big guys had to turn their dough and this is what keeps the ball rolling..............

OPA · November 23, 2011 1:03PM

<< there has been reports of a 66. >>

Yup...I've got the dubious honor of the Pop. 1 - 2011 MS66

Anyone interested in a Pop 1 coin

Buzzybest · November 23, 2011 1:15PM

<< You weren't supposed to say that!!..............100K mintage.........40K sitting in collectors closets..........40K sent in for grading (either here or across the street).............20K for sale around every venue............and some incomplete sets because of selling the 2 key coins......you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see there won't be enough to go around...........and the graded 70 sets are CHEAP CHEAP right now!!..........but the big guys had to turn their dough and this is what keeps the ball rolling.............. >>

I like the way you think! Most,if not all of the buyers of graded sets now will be longer term end users or collectors. Also,this time of year many will be holiday gifts and are not likely to flip them. Does anyone think the buyer on the bay who paid $3850 for a 70 set is going to successfully flip it anytime soon?Also,ASEs are a Worldwide market,not just Americans. How many Chinese,Europeans,Canadians,or Arab shieks might be interested? For me,at least,the market for these sets is going to be exciting to watch over the coming months!

coinsarefun · November 23, 2011 1:16PM

Is it normal to have them email and say your oder has shipped and no coin grades posted online yet?

I am thinking that is just for the empty boxes and the grades are coming in a few days?

Tell me what you know

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MsMorrisine · November 23, 2011 1:18PM

lesseeeeee.... my grades are not in but I predict the following:
90% 69's or lower
10% 70's with only enough for 1 set making all 70's

coasterfan · November 23, 2011 1:22PM

The results would be skewed if the dealers did a shake test and didn't submit any packages that had loose coins. We don't have that option, unfortunately.

MsMorrisine · November 23, 2011 1:24PM

ooops

first round in.

better and worse than expected

509189 2011-S $1 Silver Eagle USA MS70
509189 2011-S $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
509189 2011-S $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
509189 2011-S $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
509189 2011-S $1 Silver Eagle USA MS70
509408 2011 $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
509408 2011 $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
509408 2011 $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
509408 2011 $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
509408 2011 $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
509409 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA MS68
509409 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
509409 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
509409 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
509409 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
509410 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA PR70DC
509410 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA PR69DC
509410 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA PR69DC
509410 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA PR69DC
509410 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA PR70DC
509194 2011-P $1 Silver Eagle Reverse PR USA PR69
509194 2011-P $1 Silver Eagle Reverse PR USA PR69
509194 2011-P $1 Silver Eagle Reverse PR USA PR68
509194 2011-P $1 Silver Eagle Reverse PR USA PR69
509194 2011-P $1 Silver Eagle Reverse PR USA PR68

MsMorrisine · November 23, 2011 1:34PM

my prediction is now down to:

unable to make even 1 set of 70.

Mar327 · November 23, 2011 1:47PM

Just got my 3 sets too - no 70's for the keys.

Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
1 1 20708027 509409 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA MS70
1 2 20708028 509409 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
1 3 20708029 509409 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA MS70
2 1 20708030 509410 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA PR69DC
2 2 20708031 509410 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA PR69DC
2 3 20708032 509410 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA PR70DC
3 1 20708033 509194 2011-P $1 Silver Eagle Reverse PR USA PR68
3 2 20708034 509194 2011-P $1 Silver Eagle Reverse PR USA PR69
3 3 20708035 509194 2011-P $1 Silver Eagle Reverse PR USA PR69
4 1 20708036 509408 2011 $1 Silver Eagle USA MS70
4 2 20708037 509408 2011 $1 Silver Eagle USA MS70
4 3 20708038 509408 2011 $1 Silver Eagle USA MS70
5 1 20708039 509189 2011-S $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
5 2 20708040 509189 2011-S $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
5 3 20708041 509189 2011-S $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69

Zrider · November 23, 2011 2:41PM

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Zrider · November 23, 2011 2:41PM

ClinkinKY · November 23, 2011 3:24PM

Off topic but, Zrider, is your nick related to Sonny Landreth, the greatest slide guitar player in the world?

Zrider · November 23, 2011 3:56PM

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Ejoty · November 23, 2011 5:39PM

I believe PCGS uses different graders for the bulk submissions vs. the regular submissions. Just something to keep in mind when reviewing the population reports and the results from individual submissions.

boucharda · November 23, 2011 10:06PM

<< I believe PCGS uses different graders for the bulk submissions vs. the regular submissions. Just something to keep in mind when reviewing the population reports and the results from individual submissions. >>

That would really suck if true....

It's nice to say "Well a PCGS 70 set sells for much more than an NGC set" but when you get ZERO 70 sets in your 5 set submission and your neighbor gets 2 maybe 3 sets of those "much lower priced" in his similar submission from across the street who is the loser here???

...and if you think by saying there are "different graders" for one group over another that would implying higher grade results...who REALLY is the loser here

Oh, there is really not that much difference right now (there IS if you didn't get any 70's though)

NGC

PCGS

53BKid · November 23, 2011 10:58PM

<< I would like to know how they do this. I would like to know if they just pile these things up .. grade em and randomly build the sets back to the submission forms..worst case..I don.t want to think about it. >>

Why not just ask them.

Zrider · November 23, 2011 11:24PM

Zrider · November 23, 2011 11:29PM

segoja · November 23, 2011 11:33PM

Is there some value in the Mercanti set????

Me thinks so

Mercanti Set Sold Last Night

Solo · November 24, 2011 2:25AM

<< Is there some value in the Mercanti set????
Me thinks so
Mercanti Set Sold Last Night >>

It's looking like the autographed sets are the heavy hitters at this point, although the auction above was a bit of a fluke. There are two Mercanti sets on eBay right now at $2650BIN or Best Offer so anyone paying over 3K for a set simply hates money

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<< It's nice to say "Well a PCGS 70 set sells for much more than an NGC set"but when you get ZERO 70 sets in your 5 set submission and your neighbor gets 2 maybe 3 sets of those "much lower priced" in his similar submission from across the street who is the loser here ??? >>

I was advising people on other boards to send their sets NGC if they had ten sets or less. I'm still leaning towards giving mine to PCGS at the FUN show, but the more I think about it the more I'm starting to lean towards NGC. Yes the PCGS 70 sets will be the winners, but when you factor in the fact it cost nearly twice as much to use PCGS (when you spring for the autographed slabs and FS) and you probably won't do better than 1 set of 70's out of every nine or ten sets, then the 'best' choice becomes less clear. I'm still not sure what to do to be honest so everything is staying sealed for now.

7over8 · November 24, 2011 2:53AM

Come on guys, I think the early round of submissions get a "leg up" as everything looks great, but as time drags on, and more coins flood in, you have to have some guidelines established and less get the lofty 70 (i.e. everything cant be a 70)

IMO, the spicket is shutting off. Those pops indicate big percentages making 70, the last few posted submissions look like 10-15% are making it.

SamByrd · November 24, 2011 4:54AM

<< Graded sets are going to drop in value rather quickly from the frenzy drived peak with pops like this. >>

ericj96 · November 24, 2011 6:17AM

Don't bulk submitters (mostly large PCGS dealers) pay more for the coins that make 70 per coin graded? How do the first few hundred sets grade through at 50% and then normal submissions produce 70 sets 20% of the time?

mbogoman · November 24, 2011 6:30AM

<< Don't bulk submitters (mostly large PCGS dealers) pay more for the coins that make 70 per coin graded? How do the first few hundred sets grade through at 50% and then normal submissions produce 70 sets 20% of the time? >>

That's the question that has been being murmured in the background for a while now. The ratio of 70s achieved by the big boys just doesn't match up with the expected results when using pure objective analysis...

dragon · November 24, 2011 6:35AM

<< Don't bulk submitters (mostly large PCGS dealers) pay more for the coins that make 70 per coin graded? How do the first few hundred sets grade through at 50% and then normal submissions produce 70 sets 20% of the time? >>

Key Words: bulk submitters (mostly large PCGS dealers), normal submissions

wondercoin · November 24, 2011 6:36AM

"Don't bulk submitters (mostly large PCGS dealers) pay more for the coins that make 70 per coin graded? How do the first few hundred sets grade through at 50% and then normal submissions produce 70 sets 20% of the time?"

A couple comments regarding these 25th Anniv Silver sets:

1. All grades cost the exact same price. I pay the same for MS68's vs. MS70's.

2. I have been advertising for a week or two now on the BST board accepting submissions from board members, which get submitted under my account number at PCGS. I have a decent number of sets at PCGS right now from board members. If "I" happen to get a 50%+ grade through rate on a particular invoice, that great result benefits that particular board member who might happen to own coins under that particular invoice. Likewise, a 20% result passes along to that customer. Anyone who has a scintilla of thought that dealers are getting better results than collectors could simply ask their favorite dealer to submit for them under his or her dealer number. I hope my customers receive mega high grade through rates submitting through me and there is "good karma" using my serivces.

Wondercoin

revoldlog · November 24, 2011 6:37AM

Never mind.

BAJJERFAN · November 24, 2011 8:18AM

<< I will. >>

Double check your retained copy of the submission form to ensure that it was filled out like you wanted. If PCGS messed up, then they should reholder [at their expense] the coins that are out of sequence.

dragon · November 24, 2011 9:38AM

<<< Come on guys, I think the early round of submissions get a "leg up" as everything looks great, but as time drags on, and more coins flood in, you have to have some guidelines established and less get the lofty 70 (i.e. everything cant be a 70) >>>

PCGS and NGC have been looking at and grading MS and PR silver eagles for how many decades now? You'd think these 'guidelines' would've been in place since sometime during the Clinton administration huh??

mrpaseo · November 24, 2011 9:52AM

I missed this whole 25th Ann ASE cycle... Oh well, there's always the 50th...

Buzzybest · November 24, 2011 10:04AM

<< I missed this whole 25th Ann ASE
cycle... Oh well, there's always the 50th... >>

I would start saving my pennies up for the 30th Anniversary set. You might try to get a good automatic redialer too!

coasterfan · November 24, 2011 11:21AM

<< 

<< I missed this whole 25th Ann ASE
cycle... Oh well, there's always the 50th... >>

I would start saving my pennies up for the 30th Anniversary set. You might try to get a good automatic redialer too! >>

The Mint's ordering system should be fixed by then. You'll need to place your order at 12 noon exactly. One second later and you'll lose.

1tommy · November 24, 2011 11:32AM

<< "Don't bulk submitters (mostly large PCGS dealers) pay more for the coins that make 70 per coin graded? How do the first few hundred sets grade through at 50% and then normal submissions produce 70 sets 20% of the time?"

A couple comments regarding these 25th Anniv Silver sets:

1. All grades cost the exact same price. I pay the same for MS68's vs. MS70's.

2. I have been advertising for a week or two now on the BST board accepting submissions from board members, which get submitted under my account number at PCGS. I have a decent number of sets at PCGS right now from board members. If "I" happen to get a 50%+ grade through rate on a particular invoice, that great result benefits that particular board member who might happen to own coins under that particular invoice. Likewise, a 20% result passes along to that customer. Anyone who has a scintilla of thought that dealers are getting better results than collectors could simply ask their favorite dealer to submit for them under his or her dealer number. I hope my customers receive mega high grade through rates submitting through me and there is "good karma" using my serivces.

Wondercoin >>

Ok Than you must have the answer to this, Can dealers submit these sets asking for the ones below a 69 NOT BE Graded? Because from what I have read dealers are allowed to ask for a minimum grade and the others returned without a holder? Of course if this is the case the pops are not going to be telling the real story untill the regular submitters take the hits below 69"s . I really would like to know if this is true or not? Enjoy

BAJJERFAN · November 24, 2011 11:42AM

<< 

<< "Don't bulk submitters (mostly large PCGS dealers) pay more for the coins that make 70 per coin graded? How do the first few hundred sets grade through at 50% and then normal submissions produce 70 sets 20% of the time?"

A couple comments regarding these 25th Anniv Silver sets:

1. All grades cost the exact same price. I pay the same for MS68's vs. MS70's.

2. I have been advertising for a week or two now on the BST board accepting submissions from board members, which get submitted under my account number at PCGS. I have a decent number of sets at PCGS right now from board members. If "I" happen to get a 50%+ grade through rate on a particular invoice, that great result benefits that particular board member who might happen to own coins under that particular invoice. Likewise, a 20% result passes along to that customer. Anyone who has a scintilla of thought that dealers are getting better results than collectors could simply ask their favorite dealer to submit for them under his or her dealer number. I hope my customers receive mega high grade through rates submitting through me and there is "good karma" using my serivces.

Wondercoin >>

Ok Than you must have the answer to this, Can dealers submit these sets asking for the ones below a 69 NOT BE Graded? Because from what I have read dealers are allowed to ask for a minimum grade and the others returned without a holder? Of course if this is the case the pops are not going to be telling the real story untill the regular submitters take the hits below 69"s . I really would like to know if this is true or not? Enjoy

>>

Yes, it is true. You don't have to be a dealer in order to make a bulk submission.

With Bulk Submissions, you may indicate one (1) minimum grade on your submission form. PCGS will holder any coins that meet or exceed the requested minimum grade. No minimum MS or PR 70 submissions will be accepted.

wondercoin · November 24, 2011 3:07PM

1Tommy: With respect to the 25th Anniv silver coins, EVERY coin must be graded in the bulk submissions and paid for (full price) regardless of grade. This is a departure from "normal" bulk procedure where one can set a minimum grade (and achieve at least a 60%+ grade through rate with such min. grade). Wondercoin

alohagary · November 25, 2011 11:57PM

Any update to the pop report
Thanks

Goldbully · November 26, 2011 12:28AM

<< Any update to the pop report
Thanks >>

Hopefully tomorrow or Monday!!

synoptic · November 26, 2011 1:54AM

* The Sheldon Scale is a 70-point scale for grading coins, developed by Dr. William Sheldon in 1949. A slightly modified form of the Sheldon Scale has become the de facto standard for grading U.S. coins today, and is used by the major third party grading services when assigning a grade to a coin. The adjectival grading system was the predecessor to today's 70-point grading scale, and the adjectival terms are still used to help clarify the numeric equivalent.

*The grades from MS-60 to MS-70, as well as the Proof designations, are all based primarily on eye appeal, quality of luster and/or toning, and the presence or absence of contact marks, hairlines, etc. All coins MS-60 and higher are Mint State coins. It is worth noting that Proof is not a grade, but a type of coin.

+++ Some points of interest to consider.

Copyright:* First two paragraphs About.Com

OPA · November 26, 2011 2:22AM

It's getting tougher to get a 70...PCGS may have tightened up.

Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
1 1 20720311 509408 2011 $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
2 1 20720312 509189 2011-S $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
3 1 20720313 509409 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
4 1 20720314 509410 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA PR68DC
5 1 20720315 509194 2011-P $1 Silver Eagle Reverse PR USA PR69
6 1 20720316 509408 2011 $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
7 1 20720317 509189 2011-S $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
8 1 20720318 509409 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA MS69
9 1 20720319 509410 2011-W $1 Silver Eagle USA PR69DC
10 1 20720320 509194 2011-P $1 Silver Eagle Reverse PR USA PR69
Total Items: 10
Date Received: 11/15/2011
Date Shipped: N/A
Order Status: OK

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