2008-W Silver Eagle......Reverse Proof?? Die experts please read- PICS POSTED- Newer PICS added
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Anyone else find any 08/08 with Reverse Proof devices? I swear the obverse on some of my early releases are have Reverse Proof characteristics. Walking Liberty looks PL and the fields are not frosty at all compared to the ones rec'd recently which are totally frosty. I'm thinking about contacting somebody about it(PCGS or Coin World maybe?). Anyone else find any like this?? Maybe some die experts could chime in? Could die wear cause the reverse proof effect or could the mint have used different dies?
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<< <i>Anyone else find any 08/08 with Reverse Proof devices? I swear the obverse on some of my early releases are have Reverse Proof characteristics. Walking Liberty looks PL and the fields are not frosty at all compared to the ones rec'd recently which are totally frosty. I'm thinking about contacting somebody about it(PCGS or Coin World maybe?). Anyone else find any like this?? Maybe some die experts could chime in? Could die wear cause the reverse proof effect or could the mint have used different dies?
My question would have to be: "Have you actually seen an 06 reverse PROOF?" I see nothing in the pic that makes me think reverse PROOF.
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the few that i got today did have a "shiny" look to them on the obverse when compared to the 2008 rev.
i think its die wear not wrong dies. JMO
<< <i>Looks more like die wear..... JMHO.... Cheers, RickO >>
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<< <i>I'm going with "Unfinished Proof Die" the detail in the flag is much sharper in the top coin than in the bottom coin, it would not be the first time this has happened, in 1999 unfinished proof dies were used on some $5 and $10 uncirculated Gold Eagles. You may have a new variety! >>
Look at the drapery folds beneath her left breast (viewer's right). Does anybody have some Proof and BU coins in hand that can check to see if this is a hub difference between the Proofs and the BU's? I try to never trust pictures.
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In fact the strike on the top pic looks hammered. The second (lower) pic looks more like a regular (non W) piece with flat/missing details.
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<< <i>The neckline going into Liberty's breastplate looks quite different on the two coins pictured in the OP.
In fact the strike on the top pic looks hammered. The second (lower) pic looks more like a regular (non W) piece with flat/missing details.
Regards, John >>
Very interesting. I did not pick up that detail. I will take close-up pics later today if need be.
I also have 30 with the shiney obverse and matte frosted reverse.
It is a dramatic difference when you take same coin and look obs vs. rev.
Night and day difference.
If it is die wear where is the wear??
<< <i>I'll chime in to say I have 30 of the early issue 07/08s and they have a uniform flat frosted finish obs/rev.
I also have 30 with the shiney obverse and matte frosted reverse.
It is a dramatic difference when you take same coin and look obs vs. rev.
Night and day difference.
If it is die wear where is the wear?? >>
The frost on these coins is due to either the die being acid dipped or sandblasted to rough up the dies surface. After x amount of stampings, that rough surface goes away thereby producing a glossier finish on the coin.
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<< <i>I'll chime in to say I have 30 of the early issue 07/08s and they have a uniform flat frosted finish obs/rev.
I also have 30 with the shiney obverse and matte frosted reverse.
It is a dramatic difference when you take same coin and look obs vs. rev.
Night and day difference.
If it is die wear where is the wear?? >>
The frost on these coins is due to either the die being acid dipped or sandblasted to rough up the dies surface. After x amount of stampings, that rough surface goes away thereby producing a glossier finish on the coin. >>
My understanding is the blanks are the ones specially trerated to create the satin finish. From the Mint website:
<< <i>The term "uncirculated" refers to the specialized minting process used to create these coins. Although they are similar in appearance to American Eagle Bullion Coins, these new uncirculated coins are distinguished by the presence of a mint mark, indicating their production facility, and by the use of burnished coin blanks, which are hand-fed into specially-adapted coining presses one at a time. >>
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<< <i>I'll chime in to say I have 30 of the early issue 07/08s and they have a uniform flat frosted finish obs/rev. I also have 30 with the shiney obverse and matte frosted reverse. It is a dramatic difference when you take same coin and look obs vs. rev. Night and day difference. If it is die wear where is the wear?? >>
The frost on these coins is due to either the die being acid dipped or sandblasted to rough up the dies surface. After x amount of stampings, that rough surface goes away thereby producing a glossier finish on the coin. >>
My understanding is the blanks are the ones specially trerated to create the satin finish. From the Mint website:
<< <i>The term "uncirculated" refers to the specialized minting process used to create these coins. Although they are similar in appearance to American Eagle Bullion Coins, these new uncirculated coins are distinguished by the presence of a mint mark, indicating their production facility, and by the use of burnished coin blanks, which are hand-fed into specially-adapted coining presses one at a time. >>
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That doesn't contradict Lee's well-stated explanation. The blanks are burnished before fed into the presses. Lee's explanation is how the dies are prepared before installed in the presses. --Jerry
<< <i>interesting, thank you for posting. I don't see a difference, can you holding them? >>
The difference is very pronounced in hand. Between the finish and the detail it is very notable. Thanks for all the comments.
So the shiny ones would be the later die state! Didn't expect that...
By the way, have the die states of previous ASE years ever been so dramatic as the ones we're seeing in this post? I haven't delved into the series very much to know.
When did the "die-roughing" begin for the Silver Eagles? With the 2006-W burnished?
Error coin???
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<< <i>interesting, thank you for posting. I don't see a difference, can you holding them? >>
The difference is very pronounced in hand. Between the finish and the detail it is very notable. Thanks for all the comments. >>
I am seeing these as well, They are gorgeous. I gave one to a friends son over the weekend for his first communion.
Are you also seeing these on the reverse? That is where I notice it the most.
<< <i>I think they are great to have for your collection but these proof-like early ASEs and early APEs that look like a reverse proof in a sense are not selling at a preminum. They are absolutely cool though and I have quite a number in my collection.
Unlike the platinum coins that have a shiny apperance on the high points, these ASE have a uniform well struck apperance which is why I don't attribute it to die wear.
<< <i>Shiney vs. Satiny Finish
I have both in the 2008/2007 reverse, Again I thought this was die wear ?
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<< <i>Shiney vs. Satiny Finish
I have both in the 2008/2007 reverse, Again I thought this was die wear ?
Have a good one!!!
The details are more noticible in the shiny finish coin, if it were die wear IMO the opposite would be true. Perhaps it can be attributed to the plancet burishing method used