Are there any gold or silver double dies coins?
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Hey all, are there any gold or silver double die coins with very apparent doubling like the 1955 DDO penny?
If so, please post a picture!!!
If so, please post a picture!!!
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<< <i>Hey all, are there any gold or silver double die coins with very apparent doubling like the 1955 DDO penny?
If so, please post a picture!!! >>
I can't think of any other U.S. coins with a doubling spread like the 1955DDo cent.
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stands out if you know what you are looking for.
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<< <i>Hey all, are there any gold or silver double die coins with very apparent doubling like the 1955 DDO penny? >>
I am not sure that there are any coins with doubling like the 1955 DDO cent. Even the 1969-S, 1972, and 1958 doubled die cents don't have as much doubling as the 1955 DDO.
But some of the doubled dies in the Seated silver series include 1872 half dimes, 1838 Small Stars, 1873 With Arrows, 1876-CC, and 1889 dimes, 1841 and 1841-O quarters, 1842 and 1853 halves, a couple of Seated dollars and a few Trade dollars.
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Not anywhere as dramatic as the 55DDO Lincoln. Still a cool coin that can be found in 90% silver. I have found four, so far.
The reason I'm asking is because I'm thinking of getting a coin to get sometime but want it to have some neat doubling but not ready to spend a bunch of money on a copper coin at the moment
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See Gerry Fortin's site:
http://www.seateddimevarieties.com/preview/1873wa_103page.htm
It's R-6, but pretty cool.
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<< <i>Here is the 1876-cc Trade Dollar DDR (ex-Crypto79, current DCW collection) Maybe the widest spread in any doubled die, though most of the doubling is concentrated on the branch. >>
while the branch is a good pickup point the whole coin is widely doubled, the eagles feathers on the right wing are all apart and the eagle has 2 tongues(1 under the jaw) and 2 eyes, the E plurb banner motto is all doubled. also if you look inside the letters and numbers of Grains 900 (esp the 9,G R) you can see the entire shift
Here is a jumbo picture of the 76cc DDR, do a deep dive in the zoomed up details to really see how great of an error it is
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<< <i>I think if you pick up a Cherrypicker book you will find some nice coins that you can get for alot less then you think. Once some one finds them the cost go's up dramatically so the key to this game is to try to find one befor some one else does.
...i agree the CPG is a great place to find examples of DD's.
<< <i>The 1946 DDR (double die reverse) walking half dollar.
Not anywhere as dramatic as the 55DDO Lincoln. Still a cool coin that can be found in 90% silver. I have found four, so far.
I got a couple of these. They seem to be a favorite of mine
<< <i>1891 $2.50 DDR. Not especially rare and not as bold as a 1955 DDO
Now that's a variety I really like!
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As for 1876-CC, the 20c has more pronounced doubling (LIBERTY and shield)
than the trade dollar, but the 20c would be very hard on the pocketbook.
from
http://www.coinfacts.com/twenty_cents/1876cc_twenty_cents.htm
<< <i>Some of the Washington Quarters have a pretty good spread on IN GOD WE TRUST, 34-P and many of the early 40ish coins, don't have my CPG handy so can't tell you, I think 42-S is one. >>
The best series for strong hub doubling after the Lincolns and maybe the Shield 5c. The 1942-D 1-O-I DDO 25c is every bit as strong as the 55/55 Lincoln but does not appear as strong due to the thicker lettering and somewhat indistinct separation on IGWT.
There's a number of other nice ones, too. The Roosevelt 10c also has some outstanding doubled dies.
<< <i>I think the 1934-D above wins - great separation, and relatively affortable.
As for 1876-CC, the 20c has more pronounced doubling (LIBERTY and shield)
than the trade dollar, but the 20c would be very hard on the pocketbook.
from
http://www.coinfacts.com/twenty_cents/1876cc_twenty_cents.htm >>
While people in the know are aware about the 76cc 20c piece, it is kind of a mute point since they are all (two dozen) DDO and 1/4 of a million dollars. And for the record their doubling isn't in the same league as the Trade Dollar and are more in line with the more minor 76 CC dime
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"mute point" - I like that one! :-) ("mute" = silent ; you meant "moot", of course)
> And for the record their doubling isn't in the same league as the Trade Dollar and are more in line with the more minor 76 CC dime
"in the same league" It's a judgement call that could go either way or tie, I think.
Here's why I think the 20c has "more pronouced" doubling than the Trade $:
1. More visible. Mainly the doubling on top of the shield - easy to see without enlarging a section of the coin.
Although one could argue the 20c is getting proportionally more enlargement than the T$.
I can see the doubled stem in the T$ without the inset enlargement, though, so it's quite good.
2. The doubled stem in the T$ is so much smaller (less raised) than regular stem (in DCW's image, your ex; the coinfacts image shows it better, though).
Vs. what looks to be about the same height for the shield top on the 20c. (Or similarly the rays on the 34-D P$).
I guess I am saying it looks like there is "more" misplaced metal on the 20c than the T$ (say relative to the diameter of the coin).
But as you pointed out, in the large photo there is doubling all over the reverse, like the motto, extra tongue, eye,
feathers, right wing tip, so the T$ may win out in this measure.
Although ultimately the visibility is the main factor, and it depends on the visible contrasts, not just volume of metal.
The T$ gets visibility points because the stem (though weak) is in the field.
I found a similar great enlargement of the MS-66 20c for comparison with yours (7.5MB):
http://caimages.collectors.com/coinfacts/large/05226579.jpg
The LIBERTY doubling is quite dramatic, shield top doubling is easier to see, and 8 of 13 stars are well doubled, too.
(star 5)
So the 20c is competitive in terms of doubling over a wide area of the coin.
3. The T$ gets an edge on degree of separation, but there exist other coins with 180 degree separation and poor visibility,
so this is dominated by the visibility.
The 1873 (WA) 10c may dominate both of these, as the crossing shield lines give it pretty high contrast.
How rare is the 1876-CC T$ with DDR?
(Breen's Encyclopedia says Very Rare, but it was probably recently discovered by Jack Beymer at that time).
I see even the 34-D is/was considered rare.
So I think it's better to focus on how "dramatic" the doubling is, and not ignore coins using some rarity cutoff.
"Mirror, mirror on the wall, who is the dubbliest of them all?" :-)
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Actually, that coin is the finest known (MS 66) and sold in 2009 for $460,000.
An AU-58 sold in 2009 for a mere $207,000 though. :-)
Here's the census and price info, from where I found the image:
http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/CoinDetail.aspx?s=5300&level=1&g=1
<< <i>> While people in the know are aware about the 76cc 20c piece, it is kind of a mute point since they are all (two dozen) DDO and 1/4 of a million dollars.
"mute point" - I like that one! :-) ("mute" = silent ; you meant "moot", of course)
> And for the record their doubling isn't in the same league as the Trade Dollar and are more in line with the more minor 76 CC dime
"in the same league" It's a judgement call that could go either way or tie, I think.
Here's why I think the 20c has "more pronouced" doubling than the Trade $:
1. More visible. Mainly the doubling on top of the shield - easy to see without enlarging a section of the coin.
Although one could argue the 20c is getting proportionally more enlargement than the T$.
I can see the doubled stem in the T$ without the inset enlargement, though, so it's quite good.
2. The doubled stem in the T$ is so much smaller (less raised) than regular stem (in DCW's image, your ex; the coinfacts image shows it better, though).
Vs. what looks to be about the same height for the shield top on the 20c. (Or similarly the rays on the 34-D P$).
I guess I am saying it looks like there is "more" misplaced metal on the 20c than the T$ (say relative to the diameter of the coin).
But as you pointed out, in the large photo there is doubling all over the reverse, like the motto, extra tongue, eye,
feathers, right wing tip, so the T$ may win out in this measure.
Although ultimately the visibility is the main factor, and it depends on the visible contrasts, not just volume of metal.
The T$ gets visibility points because the stem (though weak) is in the field.
I found a similar great enlargement of the MS-66 20c for comparison with yours (7.5MB):
http://caimages.collectors.com/coinfacts/large/05226579.jpg
The LIBERTY doubling is quite dramatic, shield top doubling is easier to see, and 8 of 13 stars are well doubled, too.
So the 20c is competitive in terms of doubling over a wide area of the coin.
3. The T$ gets an edge on degree of separation, but there exist other coins with 180 degree separation and poor visibility,
so this is dominated by the visibility.
The 1873 (WA) 10c may dominate both of these, as the crossing shield lines give it pretty high contrast.
How rare is the 1876-CC T$ with DDR?
(Breen's Encyclopedia says Very Rare, but it was probably recently discovered by Jack Beymer at that time).
I see even the 34-D is/was considered rare.
So I think it's better to focus on how "dramatic" the doubling is, and not ignore coins using some rarity cutoff.
"Mirror, mirror on the wall, who is the dubbliest of them all?" :-) >>
Double off and you got me on the Mute but to be fair you misspelled "affortable" in your first post but I am not one to throw the first misspelling stone in my glass house.
To hold the trade dollar and examine would quell the conversation. I love everything about the 76cc and have had the privilege of holding both coins. The whole Trade is Doubled and widely space but I agree that the raised lettering of the 20c does make it pop. Note the complete extra leaves and claw inside the open one
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Yup, picked up at my local dealer a long time ago for the nice price listed on the flip.
<< <i>Not clearly separated like the 55 DDO but pretty cool in its own way.
Tripled Die Obverse 1964-D Half
Yup, picked up at my local dealer a long time ago for the nice price listed on the flip.
I once found a roll of '64-D halves where 14 out of the 20 coins were this variety. Neither it nor the other big d die for the 1964-D Kennedys (the 1-O-I doubled die) are at all rare but 5-O-II (3) IS very tough in an early state of the die.