Why would I get blocked for this message?
rlarick
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This seller is selling (2) 09 VDB PCGS MS65RD CAC stickered together. I just returned back to bump my bid and found that I can't bid, I can't even message the guy to find out why he blocked me. I am new to collecting, I can't possibly have made enemies, could I?
I figure with all the threads I have read regarding eBay/CACvsPlus Grades/bad sellers/buyers, and since these are PCGS coins that it would be appropriate to share this experience with others. On the other hand if it seems like whining, my apologies. Merry Christmas everyone and thank you for your input/advice.
Dear saturncoin,
Hello,
I have been building a grading set on PCGS under Showcases>Grading Set. Your images in your listing are very small. While I have a couple of 65RD i am looking for superior examples. Could you email the original images that you used to upload to me at rlarick@comcast.net
You can check my listings to see superior examples. while I don't expect images like I have listed, I hope to have pictures sufficient to decide whether the CAC sticker justifies MS66 money. thank you
Rob
I figure with all the threads I have read regarding eBay/CACvsPlus Grades/bad sellers/buyers, and since these are PCGS coins that it would be appropriate to share this experience with others. On the other hand if it seems like whining, my apologies. Merry Christmas everyone and thank you for your input/advice.
Dear saturncoin,
Hello,
I have been building a grading set on PCGS under Showcases>Grading Set. Your images in your listing are very small. While I have a couple of 65RD i am looking for superior examples. Could you email the original images that you used to upload to me at rlarick@comcast.net
You can check my listings to see superior examples. while I don't expect images like I have listed, I hope to have pictures sufficient to decide whether the CAC sticker justifies MS66 money. thank you
Rob
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The fact that the seller asks 66 money implies that they want to reap this little green bonus. But the fact that you said '66' made them realize its really a 65.
And they don't want to deal with someone who is actually going to be picky about the condition of the coin. They would rather deal with someone who sees the green thing.
Move on.
Lance.
<< <i>You have been blocked by an ebay prima donna. You have quite a few ebay sellers that block for various reasons right or wrong. >>
An ebay 'prima donna;......yes I like that description.
I say move on...
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
I do not know the answer to your question. Only the seller does.
<< <i>He did you a favor. trust me >>
Explain please? I am super focused on snapping up as many examples in that date as I can afford until I am satisfied. While that might not make sense to those who have been collecting seriously for decades, I am crash coursing, I am impatient. Getting the plus grades for the grading set I am building won't happen anytime soon. This shotgun approach is working. Most of the CAC coins I have seen offered seem to be way overpriced.
The "paranoid of eBay" part of me thinks that these coins either don't deserve to be green beaned or the stickers are fake or what? I am trying to get over this, I just don't understand why a seller with a return policy of 2 of these supposed top tier coins would block anyone from bidding in an auction at the slow time of the year?
I see why people do silly stuff now, I feel like using the wifes account just to win and return them for the fun of it. It's not like I wasn't open and honest? maybe that was the problem, I should have played dumb. oh well, live and learn or maybe play some games. You reap what you sow?
<< <i>You can check my listings to see superior examples. while I don't expect images like I have listed, I hope to have pictures sufficient to decide whether the CAC sticker justifies MS66 money. thank you
Rob >>
I think you did ok until this line - it makes you sound pretentious.
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<< <i>You can check my listings to see superior examples. while I don't expect images like I have listed, I hope to have pictures sufficient to decide whether the CAC sticker justifies MS66 money. thank you
Rob >>
I think you did ok until this line - it makes you sound pretentious. >>
And asking 66 money for a 65 coin isn't also somewhat pretentious?
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<< <i>You can check my listings to see superior examples. while I don't expect images like I have listed, I hope to have pictures sufficient to decide whether the CAC sticker justifies MS66 money. thank you
Rob >>
I think you did ok until this line - it makes you sound pretentious. >>
And asking 66 money for a 65 coin isn't also somewhat pretentious? >>
?? How is selling two coins worth $230 each and the bid is only $213 being pretentious?
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<< <i>You can check my listings to see superior examples. while I don't expect images like I have listed, I hope to have pictures sufficient to decide whether the CAC sticker justifies MS66 money. thank you
Rob >>
I think you did ok until this line - it makes you sound pretentious. >>
And asking 66 money for a 65 coin isn't also somewhat pretentious? >>
Maybe so.. I upload 4MP coins that actually make the coin look far worse than it does in hand, especially on bright copper, the slightest ding can appear like a gouge because of the shadowing contrast to the untrained eye.
He wasn't asking for 66 money, I was offering!!! I was thought it was pretty clear about what I was trying to say, that I would pay what I have paid for 66RD examples if the original images taken of the coin justified it.
you or not. Seems you could have worded your request a bit better as previously mentioned.
How many items have you bought/sold on ebay? What is your ratings and such? Perhaps
you are to new and he just does not want to be the one to educate you.
Don't fret about it and just move on. But, do think about how a seller will react to any
questions you ask in the future.
bob
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<< <i>You can check my listings to see superior examples. while I don't expect images like I have listed, I hope to have pictures sufficient to decide whether the CAC sticker justifies MS66 money. thank you
Rob >>
I think you did ok until this line - it makes you sound pretentious. >>
And asking 66 money for a 65 coin isn't also somewhat pretentious? >>
?? How is selling two coins worth $230 each and the bid is only $213 being pretentious? >>
I made a poor assumption and it has been clarified. Sorry for that.
In fact, the new information sort of turns the tables. If the buyer was offering straight-up 66 money, then I can see why the seller would figure that since the coin is not a 66 it's gonna be a return.
Maybe that in itself worked against me somehow. I mean all this seller had to do was check the showcases and he could have told me whether the coins he had were nicer than what I have posted. But seeing how he didn't want to send images, who am I fooling, he wouldn't have taken the time to look at the grading set either.
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<< <i>I feel like using the wifes account just to win and return them for the fun of it. >>
Maybe he sensed that attitude in your original email.
You tell him you only want to buy "superior" examples of an already slabbed and cacd coin, and that you already have a bunch. To the dealer it probably sounds like you only want to buy coins that would upgrade with a high probability of returning them if they won't. And my understanding of a green bean is that it means solid for the grade, not superior, if you want superior you have to spring for the gold bean.
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Prolly would have been better to only ask for bigger pics.
<< <i>Slow time of year? Okay, maybe, but I don't think that that has anything to do with blocking
you or not. Seems you could have worded your request a bit better as previously mentioned.
How many items have you bought/sold on ebay? What is your ratings and such? Perhaps
you are to new and he just does not want to be the one to educate you.
Don't fret about it and just move on. But, do think about how a seller will react to any
questions you ask in the future.
bob >>
OH! jeeeez hahahah ok ok oh plllllleeeeease mr coin dealer man pleeease can I see some more pictures.. pretty pleeeease. Yeah I guess I was rather forward and to the point. for sure, it is his loss .
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<< <i>I guess I also assumed that since he was selling PCGS CAC coins, that mentioning a showcase set would earn a little respect. I like the idea of giving credit to those who have helped me with this set in the notes.
Maybe that in itself worked against me somehow. I mean all this seller had to do was check the showcases and he could have told me whether the coins he had were nicer than what I have posted. But seeing how he didn't want to send images, who am I fooling, he wouldn't have taken the time to look at the grading set either.
My VDB grading set >>
Some nice 09's. I never grow tired of looking at Lincolns.
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<< <i>Prolly would have been better to only ask for bigger pics. >>
Agree. Your request made you sound like a very picky collector that would be hard to satisfy.
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<< <i>Some nice 09's. I never grow tired of looking at Lincolns. >>
Thanks Mike! I am working on it hard.. I started this set end of September. Anyone have a 09VDB MPL they want to part with? I need that one and one of illini420's 66RB's to complete
This has me to thinking. I wish eBay could add to my account how many items returned. a grand total of 2 - out of couple thousand buys... I am from the school of "buyer beware" , While I have bought some real crap on eBay, I have also hit some home runs.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>A note to my good friends on the PCGS forum: There is a bit more to the story regarding the blocked bidder. It seems that he is now contemplating bidding with an alternate account. Not good, especially if he wishes to remain on Ebay. There is always a bit more to the story, but as we have painfully learned, some on the forum like to opine with only half of the facts. Thank you to those that keep an open mind and a Merry Christmas to all.
Mark Glicker >>
So, Rob, what's the rest of the story?
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>My guess is he thought you were going to buy them, compare to the ones you have, and return them if not an upgrade. --Jerry >>
1- You have admitted that you're shooting for something the coin isn't. You want an MS66 in a 65 holder. Maybe the coin is there, but as a seller, it can be really annoying to have items come back that were strong for the grade because they weren't upgrades.
2- "while I don't expect images like I have listed" just sounds arrogant. If you want clearer pictures, ask for them. The seller isn't going to do any better or worse because of the quality of your pictures, and that line certainly gives a feeling that maybe the new photos aren't worth it if they can't stack up enough to what you expect.
Folks need to make up their minds
Looks like it was an old (ex?) forum member's auction? Mark Glicker (Mark G Licker
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Maybe it was you soliciting him to contact you outside of eBay concerning the auction. That's a no-no you know.
Maybe he was trying to fill his quota of blocked bidders for the week.
Maybe if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump it's arse each time it hopped.
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<< <i>Okay, this is interesting. From the listing:
<< <i>A note to my good friends on the PCGS forum: There is a bit more to the story regarding the blocked bidder. It seems that he is now contemplating bidding with an alternate account. Not good, especially if he wishes to remain on Ebay. There is always a bit more to the story, but as we have painfully learned, some on the forum like to opine with only half of the facts. Thank you to those that keep an open mind and a Merry Christmas to all.
Mark Glicker >>
So, Rob, what's the rest of the story?
Russ, NCNE >>
What happened to Mark Glicker on these forums? Did he get banned?
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<< <i>In this world , it is ofter the case, that the least said, the better.
I understand that with this seller for sure. On the other hand, I have had a lot of lengthy messages from a quite a few people who have been very helpful. I think that spoiled me. That those who deal in high grade coins, want to talk about them...
I should add that my first thread on here also gave me a lot of confidence to be proud of the set I am building. You guys created this monster! LOL!
I think anyone who doubts me should read my first thread. http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=30&threadid=794152
It is in the Registry forum titles. My first Registry Set.
Ok.. this is a really tough crowd.. sheesh.. I get it though, most on here are sellers and probably don't buy that often from pictures, especially not high grade CAC's coins that have lousy eBay pics??? It's just a dumb thing to do? correct?
I don't delete messages from my trashcan. I checked for missed correspondence when I went back to bid and found myself to be blocked... nothing..! I just checked again, both email and eBay messaging, sent and trash. nothing more to this story unless I am blind, which is possible, I do get a ton of messages..
So that maybe people here can understand me or where I am coming from, they should read my first thread.
Several rebuttals.
First off, I am certain that my request was not unreasonable, while it may have been verbose. It certainly wasn't rude and it certainly did express that I was willing pay potentially more than posted values. Isn't that music to a sellers ears? If he was worried about returns, he could have posted all about here and had me added to a blocked buyers list?
Besides? What is the big deal with returns, isn't that to be expected when selling high grade coins? I see many sellers, with bolded encouraging return policies...... I know of dealers who send out coins for approval.. This is normal with high end coins that go for more than posted values? Correct? Did we forget? Sellers want happy customers, sellers who have happy customers get return business. Sales 101
As far as, bidding under a separate account, isn't the seller being a bit foolish by threatening some kind of action against me through eBay? The seller can easily look at my feedback and see the number of transactions I have had. Right or wrong, doesn't eBay side with the buyer? and even more so with members who do a lot of business with them? It actually would be refreshing to see eBay side with a seller.
My little tirade of.... I can see why..... I feel like..... is what? lamenting? my expressing a bit of humor? NOW seeing why people get upset? Anyways... Why would he continue to worry now, especially since it is obvious that I still want a shot at the coins? If I did bid on the coins from another account and won them and not return then, would he still take action? what does it say about making a public post on his listing!! LOL Another brilliant maneuver on his part. I guess he wants those CAC'd to go for low $$ afterall!
Of course there is no way he can know, that I have returned maybe, 2 items out of 1300 purchases in the last year. I wonder if he even looked that I have 100% and have been on eBay since 03? How long would have taken him to check the grading set and see how I thank those sellers who have helped me with the set? Wouldn't that be free advertising?
While I understand the apprehension on the sellers part of not wanting a hassle. isn't that also part of doing business on eBay? Isn't that part of the business? What does that also say about the seller? He doesn't like his buyers because they might be a pain in the butt?
I honestly do not have any correspondence from the seller and there is no more to the story other than what has been posted here.
he has is one of a kind.
Perhaps he should come here and give the other side?
oh well. as I said before, it is far more his loss, than mine. this story is over unless he wants to escalate it or he takes me off his blocked list.
<< <i>Why don't you start another ebay account or have someone bid on it for you. Obviously this ebayseller acted foolishly, why let his silly decision stop you. As far as him doing you a favor, he believes you are pciky (nothing wrong with being picky) and knows (he assumes obviously) that you will be disappointed because he is the one who has seen it in hand and is REAL familiar with it and its flaws. >>
That's really stupid and against ebay's TOS. It's easier to just move on than to be a whiny little s-o-b (in which case, the seller would have been smart to do what he did).
From what I recall of Mark (the seller it appears), he was a good guy with some nice coins. Yet, once again, you leap in with your mouth to offer non-sage advice in things you know nothing about.
Whether the coins are flawed or not (remember, they have the PCGS slab AND the green sticker), YOU have not seen them and YOU have no knowledge of them other than just wanting to jump in a thread and give bad advice.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
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<< <i>Some nice 09's. I never grow tired of looking at Lincolns. >>
Thanks Mike! I am working on it hard.. I started this set end of September. Anyone have a 09VDB MPL they want to part with? I need that one and one of illini420's 66RB's to complete
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I'm pretty sure you need one of my MS67RB examples, but I do have some extra 66RBs as well...
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<< <i>Some nice 09's. I never grow tired of looking at Lincolns. >>
Thanks Mike! I am working on it hard.. I started this set end of September. Anyone have a 09VDB MPL they want to part with? I need that one and one of illini420's 66RB's to complete
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I'm pretty sure you need one of my MS67RB examples, but I do have some extra 66RBs as well...
I just looked at his set again - you're right, he does need one of your 67 RBs! Nice!
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<< <i>Some nice 09's. I never grow tired of looking at Lincolns. >>
Anyone have a 09VDB MPL they want to part with? I need that one and one of illini420's 66RB's to complete
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I thought 09VDB MPL meant a 1909 VDB Matte Proof Lincoln cent. Those pictures are of business strike 1909 VDB Lincolns. BIG DIFFERENCE!
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Not necessarily and certainly not as a rule.
<< <i>Maybe your lengthy wordy question confused & offended the seller. Excessive use of words confuse ordinary people and cause mis-understandings. You should have simply asked "Can you provide larger pictures?"
Maybe it was you soliciting him to contact you outside of eBay concerning the auction. That's a no-no you know.
Maybe he was trying to fill his quota of blocked bidders for the week.
Maybe if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump it's arse each time it hopped. >>
There are several possibilities here. I'll entertain all of them.
That's mature....I would block a bidder with such an attitude...maybe the seller was prescient.
as you do have quite alot of eBay activity
anyway, the coin is not one rarely seen - and there will be others
best to forget about it and move on
<< <i>It's likely something touched a nerve with the seller. The coin's already been through 3 approval services. PCGS , CAC, and eBay.
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Exactly, and if the Seller has a return Policy then this note is kind of ridiculous. PCGS Graded, with a CAC sticker, and you tell him your story about your collecting (which has nothing to do with the transaction) and essentially tell him his images are not good enough. So he is thinking, "OK, this one is could be trouble." For example, what does this mean
<< <i>" I hope to have pictures sufficient to decide whether the CAC sticker justifies MS66 money" >>
I would be thinking, right away you are looking for coins that will upgrade, and will return anything that does not. It may not have been your intent, but it is not a far-drawn conclusion either.
Now I do not have a link to the Auction so maybe they are poor photos, and I am not saying that he was right to block you, but it is not as far-fetched as it sounds when you think that there are plenty of people who will buy that coin at a great price with the information provided. Here is a fact, almost all of my bad experiences on eBay have come from people who asked questions before the sale ends. I am not saying they should not ask questions, but any question that has a hint of someone looking for Nordstrom’s on eBay is treated with the utmost scrutiny in this day of one-sided Feedback.
<< <i>By the way, as a buyer I would merely ask for the images and not tell my life story as well. The less you tip your hand as to why you want the images, the better off you will be, especially if you are trying to cherrypick a variety or an undergraded coin. >>
rlarick, this suggestion if from a buyers point of view, if you want to be smart about it and minimize your acquisition cost.