Roger Barone - Roger Anderson
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As most of you collectors know I have put quite a lot of effort into exposing what a cancer Roger Barone (ebay tts-too, rellaa, roger’s coins) is to the collecting community. Although I have taken some heat for doing so the fact is many collectors have opened their eyes and seen the light and Roger’s true colors have come through. That makes it worthwhile.
If you are a person that thinks a message board isn’t a place for this then don’t read it. However all of us collectors have been burned at some time or another so if this can save one persons hard earned $$ it’s worthwhile.
It was brought to my attention a month ago that Roger Anderson (previously supposed ebay name rellaa) had gone to work for Anaconda Rare Coins. According to Brandon Kelly at Anaconda, Roger Anderson is a full time salesman at Anaconda and had parted ways with Roger Barone some two months earlier.
This morning I spoke again with Brandon Kelly at Anaconda. I asked him if Roger Anderson is still working for Anaconda. He stated he is. I asked if Roger Anderson is still ebay “rellaa”. He said that Roger Barone is ebay’s “rellaa” and “Rogers Coins” and as we all know he is ebay’s “tts-too” as well.
After talking with Mr. Kelly this morning I called Rogers Coins, aka “rellaa” at (214) 597-7055 (which is the same phone number for ebay’s “tts-too”) and asked to speak with Roger Anderson. The man on the other end of the call said his name is Roger Barone and that he “is” Roger Anderson’s partner. He stated that he “is” the buyer and Roger Anderson “is” the seller. I asked five times if he could please put me in contact with Mr. Anderson. He refused, was completely rude and hung up on me (typical Roger Barone).
So, my question is this: Is Roger Barone using Roger Anderson’s name with without his knowledge or approval or is Roger Anderson riding both sides of the fence?
Any first hand information would be appreciated.
Thank you!
If you are a person that thinks a message board isn’t a place for this then don’t read it. However all of us collectors have been burned at some time or another so if this can save one persons hard earned $$ it’s worthwhile.
It was brought to my attention a month ago that Roger Anderson (previously supposed ebay name rellaa) had gone to work for Anaconda Rare Coins. According to Brandon Kelly at Anaconda, Roger Anderson is a full time salesman at Anaconda and had parted ways with Roger Barone some two months earlier.
This morning I spoke again with Brandon Kelly at Anaconda. I asked him if Roger Anderson is still working for Anaconda. He stated he is. I asked if Roger Anderson is still ebay “rellaa”. He said that Roger Barone is ebay’s “rellaa” and “Rogers Coins” and as we all know he is ebay’s “tts-too” as well.
After talking with Mr. Kelly this morning I called Rogers Coins, aka “rellaa” at (214) 597-7055 (which is the same phone number for ebay’s “tts-too”) and asked to speak with Roger Anderson. The man on the other end of the call said his name is Roger Barone and that he “is” Roger Anderson’s partner. He stated that he “is” the buyer and Roger Anderson “is” the seller. I asked five times if he could please put me in contact with Mr. Anderson. He refused, was completely rude and hung up on me (typical Roger Barone).
So, my question is this: Is Roger Barone using Roger Anderson’s name with without his knowledge or approval or is Roger Anderson riding both sides of the fence?
Any first hand information would be appreciated.
Thank you!
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Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
I tried to read the other threads at the times they were running along......and I think that he alleged at that time that these Rogers were shilling bids??
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Eric, you forgot the
Oh, edited to add something I know about their areas of interest but that others may not: they are among the top sellers of high quality and/or rare varieties, especially Lincolns, on ebay. If you search errors for Lincoln rpm or ddo, you'll often find one of them with one or more biggies.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
The name RELLA comes from Roger Anderson's initials plus some other personal information I am not going to talk about without permission, so I would see no reason why Roger Barone would be using that ID. Roger Barone is RBinTex...as in, R. B. in Texas.
As for anyone's beef with them I don't know of it nor do I really want to. I have met all three of the people involved in this story at one time or another, and don't want to get involved in any mud slinging one way or the other.
The one thing I wish WOULD happen is that this petty bickering be taken elsewhere and left off these boards. EJ has made a point, Rella and Rbintex have countered that point to some degree, the fight has insued, and anything from this point forward is simply poking and ribbing to have an unnecessary battle continue.
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<< <i>As I stated before, Roger Barone and Roger Anderson are 100% definitely different people. I traveled across the country in my mother's car with Roger Anderson last summer and spoke to Roger Barone in Texas while sitting in the car next to Roger Anderson in Wisconsin. Quite impossible if they are the same person. >>
Could they be less than 100% different people?
<< <i>who gives a rats arse. >>
You must since you are responding. The other confusion is there is a RELLA and a RELLAA.
Hard to argue with that.......
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<< <i>The one thing I wish WOULD happen is that this petty bickering be taken elsewhere and left off these boards.
Hard to argue with that....... >>
I agree again who gives a rats arse??? other than dd55
b.s. >>
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Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
This thread sucks.
Scott, take this carp up with barone and anderson and why don't you go jump off a bridge while you're at it.
Scott, take this carp up with barone and anderson and why don't you go jump off a bridge while you're at it.
I agree. If we are going to have a full-body-armor brawl, then out with the info. And make sure that it is coin-related. If not, quit dropping by and teasing us with innuendo about which most of us know little and care a whole lot less. Find a therpaist or a personal grip message board to nip at these guys.
But it has to be your choice.
I apologize that my posts have seemed to be “hit and run” as you stated. By no means am I a “hit and run” type of person, in fact I’m very, very much the opposite. I drive racecars for a living so many times I’m on the road and the convenience of the internet can be an issue.
First of all, yes, my name is John Scott, ebay name jscott83. The intent all along has been and will continue to be to post what I feel is important and useful information that is of concern to all legitimate and honest collectors. Most, if not all the posts I have put up about Mr. Barone have had information that can be investigated and proven (at the time) by anyone that wanted to invest the time to look with open eyes -or- simply asked a question (like this post) that regardless of the answer proves that one of the Rogers is a liar. There are those whom choose to stick their heads in the sand or make jokes about a about a very serious situation that concerns all of us collectors and in my opinion these people have no concern for their fellow collectors. I’m not a coin dealer by any means. I have no concern or interest in the “Rogers” in relation to competitive business. I collect for fun, buy and sell when I feel like it, that’s it. My interest is mainly in variety coins and that is how I had the misfortune of crossing paths with “the Rogers”
However I have a very strong displeasure for liars and crooks. Especially ones that hide behind computers and false names like little sissies and manipulate unsuspecting individuals. I feel that people of this nature rely on individuals simply giving up because it’s not worth the hassle. I’m not one of them.
To summarize the situation for those of you who wonder: (I’ll try to keep it short)
Quite some time ago I had received several direct (outside ebay) offers from Roger Barone on coins I had listed on ebay, always for far less that market value. At the time it prompted me to do a little background research on Roger Barone. I found mutiple ebay names and several counts of shilling. At the time I let it pass. The next time I had coins up on ebay I received more direct (outside ebay) offer from Roger Barone. Very lo-ball offers, insulting in fact. One of the coins was a coin (same date, variety, grade and grading service) as one Roger had for sale in his ebay store. I asked Roger why he thought I should sell him my coin for half of what he was selling the same coin for? He said because his coin was PQ. Of course I asked how does he know my coin isn’t PQ? He also began to play a little “good dealer – bad dealer” game with himself and the supposed Roger Anderson. I had asked who exactly is Roger Barone and who is Roger Anderson (this was done through email). Roger Barone wrote that he and Anderson are partners but don’t work in the same office. He stated that any email from this (meaning the address he was writing from) is from him (Roger Barone) and any email from the other email address is from Roger Anderson. The very next email I received (just minutes later was from the “Roger Anderson” address and signed by Roger Barone. It was obvious at that point regardless of why, Roger Barone is a liar. At this point I was very straight-forward with Mr. Barone. I told him I didn’t need or want his money and that I simply didn’t care to do any business with him. It was a matter of principal. Mr. Barone then transformed to about 12 years old, cursing and ranting like a frustrated little child. I received very immature foul language emails and phone messages. I had never seen a grown man act so silly.
At this time I added the ebay names that I was aware of Roger using at the time (ttsd, tts-too, rellaa, jdenab, totaltravelsolutions) and reported him to ebay.
I then received a phone message (that I keep for old time sake) wherein Roger says (since I turned him into ebay for outside offers, threats and shilling) that now I’ve got myself a f*****g war. Again, I think he thought I’d run away.
The next time I listed coins on ebay Roger opened a temporary AOL account, used that AOL account to open an ebay account with the user name 9295scott and bid on my coins. When I received the winning bidders information it was my own name and address (which he had used on the ebay account). This is when it became obvious just how immature and how big of a problem Roger Barone has.
I contacted ebay, they investigated and all they could do is close the 9295scott account. Quite frankly they didn’rt really care. I contacted AOL and explained what was going on. They were very helpful and said they could not “tell” me who originated the account. So I “asked” if it was Roger Barone in Texas and they replied “yes”.
After all this I chose to make it a point to simply aware others as best I can of Roger’s capabilities (as far as his compulsive lying, cheating and unethical and immature business practices).
Since then I have found (and posted) many things about Roger and his underhanded and cowardly workings.
His latest gig was recent. I had some coins on ebay. I had put in my ad that I can’t sell to anyone with less than 15 feedbacks unless they contact me first. I explained that this is because of Roger creating false accounts because he’s so hard up for my coins. This time Roger convinced a fella named Ron Howard (ebay’s pennyhound) to bid for him. Roger convinced Ron to give up his password so he (Roger) could use his account. Well, Ron won a couple of my coins for Roger. Then Roger jerked Ron around on the money and Ron got caught in the middle and did the right thing, he came clean. He wrote to me, told me the truth of the situation and asked to be released from the deal. Anyone that would like to can write to me and I’ll put you in contact with Ron Howard, he’s a straight up guy.
This just touches on the big issues. I could write pages on all the little crooked things I have caught Roger at. It’s simply sickening that someone has to go to such lengths for a buck.
Now I hear (Anaconda’s Brandon Kelly contacted me), as I stated, that Roger Anderson is working full time for Anaconda Rare Coins. That he has parted ways, some three months ago, with Roger Barone. Anaconda states they are sure he isn’t working with Roger Barone because that would be a conflict of interest. Yet on the same day Roger Barone states in a phone conversation that he is still partners with Roger Anderson.
So, as with many of my posts I simply had a question which was asked in the beginning of my thread:
Is Roger Barone using Roger Anderson’s name with without his knowledge or approval or is Roger Anderson riding both sides of the fence?
It’s a simple question. Is there anyone that has a straight answer?
Thank you!
I really wish I had made this post first!
Sounds like you have a psyhco stalker.
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Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>John, I'm glad you took the time to flesh it out. >>
As am I. That cleared up a lot of confusion.
Russ, NCNE
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Dude, you're more than a little obsessed - no?
Any questions anyone has I'll be happy to answer via PM. This garbage shouldn't even be here on the boards.
p.s. John, if all you say is so true why have all you're past threads gone pooooooof?
Sorry...too late for that.
<< <i>Will ALL the people that haver gotten screwed by the Rogers (except pscho liar John & deadbeat busted valise - without a pot to p*ss in or a window to throw it out of - liar trailerpark redneck Ron) please come out of the woodwork so we can have a proper burial for the Rogers >>
Excellent point by point refutation of the allegations.
Russ, NCNE
You do realize this is an actual image of the workings of his mind?
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OHHH, that RYK link to This "100%" needs some explanation.
That is one of the most interesting ME pages I have seen. And that is certainly some insight into the sellers mind. PSYCHO
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Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
"all of us collectors have been burned at some time or another"
Who's been "burned" by the Rogers?
"He said that Roger Barone is ebay’s “rellaa” and “Rogers Coins” and as we all know he is ebay’s “tts-too” as well."
100% true.
"I called Rogers Coins, aka “rellaa” at (214) 597-7055 (which is the same phone number for ebay’s “tts-too”) and asked to speak with Roger Anderson. The man on the other end of the call said his name is Roger Barone..."
100% true
BUT
amazingly enough the liar John didn't identify himself & LIED as to who he was or why he was calling (as far as I knew it was a stranger out of the blue) and was psychotically evasive when I tried to ascertain his TRUE intent for even calling. He deceptively even had his caller ID blocked to further his deception.
"and that he “is” Roger Anderson’s partner. He stated that he “is” the buyer and Roger Anderson “is” the seller. I asked five times if he could please put me in contact with Mr. Anderson..."
100% true except I never said "he was the seller". As far as some stranger out of the blue is concerned, I felt NO compulsion to explain the private intricasies of the current status of the relationship of ANY business associate, friend, or whatever. I was just trying to be courteous to someone that was POSING as a past customer to try to put a "unified front" so to speak on our business. Like I owed him an explanation.
"...He refused, was completely rude and hung up on me (typical Roger Barone)..."
Yes. Refused since Roger Anderson needs not to be bothered with a guy that I could tell was a jerk on the phone #1 & has no business reason to speak with him #2. Yes I hung up when it was clear the caller would not understand that I was the buyer/owner/person SOLELY responsible for dealing with ANYTHING related to the ficticious inquiry he was making. This guy actually spent his time to try to entrap us in something that just doesn't exist.
"Is Roger Barone using Roger Anderson’s name with without his knowledge or approval..."
NO. Both Rogers know EXACTLY what each other is doing.
"...or is Roger Anderson riding both sides of the fence?"
NO. He is working 100% of the time for Adrian. We do have some loose ends that need/needed to be tied up though but he is not AT ALL active in eBay rellaa, tts-too, airfaresavers/totaltravelsolutions, jdenab, www.rogerscoins.com or anything else numnuts wants to allege.
If this doesn't answer the questions posed in the first post to this thread I'm at a loss as to how to do it any better.
Just clear smoething up for me please..
Who's fronting for whom?
<< <i>I traveled across the country in my mother's car with Roger Anderson last summer >>
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Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
Sombody do something psycho so we know which side to pick.
Before I do I’d like to thank the people that at least read my post with an open mind. I’m not asking for people to agree, just that as fellow collectors you take the time to consider and investigate. I swear, as God is my witness that all I have stated is the absolute truth. I don’t ask that you all believe, just that you investigate and find the truth and pass it along to other fellow collectors.
As everyone can see, and as I have stated several times, Mr. Barone once again exhibited his level of maturity in his first post @ 2:43 PM wherein he resorts immediately to childish name calling. Oddly he throws several names at Ron Howard, who just a month ago was good enough to borrow money from Roger and be partners in his little games. Now that Mr. Howard realized that Roger is a crook and simply pulled out he is , well, you can read all the names in Rogers post. He then states this is his last post to this thread. Last he asks why my threads go poooooof? The answer (which he is quite aware of) is because he contacts PCGS, throws a fit because his name is in them and they delete them.
In His second of one posts @3:33PM he asks:
1) Who’s been burned by the Rogers?
Well, first hand I can obviously list Ron Howard and myself. As far as e-mails I have received from people stating unethical dealings with “the Rogers” I have received 14. I’m wondering how many there needs to be before it’s an issue?
2) Roger states I was “psychotically evasive”. How is someone “psychotically evasive”? Do they refuse to identify themselves then go kill six people? He also states I “deceptively had my caller ID blocked to further my deception”! You all have to admit, he has a way with words. No, I did not identify myself nor did he ask. I simply asked to talk to Roger Anderson. Mr. Barone said he (Roger Barone) handles the buying and his partner Roger Anderson handles the selling. I asked five times if he could please put me in contact with Roger Anderson. The point is he stated that he and Roger Anderson are in fact partners.
Never once did he simply say “Roger Anderson no longer works here”.
3) Then Mr. Barone states that Roger Anderson is working 100% of the time for Adrian (Anaconda Rare Coins) and that he (Roger Anderson) is not at all active in eBay rellaa, tts-too, airfaresavers, totaltravelsolutions, jdenab or rogers coins.
It doesn’t take a genius to see that Mr. Barone has a huge problem with telling the truth.
Then he closes with another little squirt of that mature name calling he is so good at.
As I have stated many times, all one has to do is keep an eye on the dealings of Roger Barone to paste together just how crooked he is. Through all of this anyone can at least see that Roger Barone is tts-too and has always been a part of (and now admits being all of) rellaa. Something he had denied for some time.
My simple point is that Mr. Barone is a compulsive liar. He (as you can see in his posts) feels that if he has an “excuse” to lie that makes it okay to do so. He believes his own lies. He justifies them. This combined with his willingness to disrupt other people’s dealings out of anger and childish frustration does no good for any of us collectors.
When Mr. Barone went as far as creating false accounts and bidding in my auctions as well as having others do it for him I decided to never give up on exposing him and the things he does.
So, Roger, here is a personal note to you. I have had many people ask me what it’s going top take to put this all behind us, some of which have been associates / friends of yours. Here’s the answer:
You admit, here on this public board that you and you alone:
1) Did in fact create the false 9295scott ebay account just to mess with me because you were angry.
2) Did lie about it afterwards.
3) Did in fact conspire with Ron Howard to purchase my coins for yourself.
4) Make things right with Ron Howard on whatever deal you promised him and give him the opportunity to do the same.
Here’s your chance to make it all right. You can admit the truth, take the heat off Anderson, suffer some embarrassment but at the same time gain respect from many of your peers for coming clean and being a stand up guy or we can go on like this for as long as it takes. If you are willing to do your part I give my word to wipe the slate clean and start anew. I’ll stay out of your business and you stay out of mine.
Thank you all for your opinions and input.
John
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Thanks for the invite. I would like to post more. I have intentions to many times but I always get sidetracked. I need to learn more about uploading images, hyperlinks and all that zoomy stuff. Some of you are really great at it and that would make it fun.
I don’t know a tremendous amount about many denominations other than Lincolns. Lincoln varieties are my main area of interest expertise, I really enjoy them. I have a descent little collection and am always interested in learning and teaching about Lincoln varieties.
I’ll try to post more often about enjoyable and light-hearted things in the future.
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John
Are you a friend of Rogers or are you really that shallow?
Best of luck EJ
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