Just Listed the bgs 9.5 payton 1985 topps pop 1
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I listed it on EBAY for sell.
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I listed it on EBAY for sell.
It is still SELLING... Notice how everyone else lists their ebay auctions on BST.
Weird but I don't see a factory stamp 1/1 on the card front? Maybe it's on the back?
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I think there is no chance for selling this card for the opening bid in BGS grade.
The odds are this will cross to a PSA 9 so good luck with your auction.
I would run this as a $0.99 auction and let the market decide the price.
Good luck either way.
<< <i>A $1,250 starting price and no scan of the back of the card? >>
i agree. a "zoomed in" scan would be better. IMO
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David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
And to pile on...You need to get a scanner, I can't even read the grades on the flip for myself. And I've sold my last two PSA 9's of this card for about $100 each, which is what this card, bottom line is, So good luck with this!!!
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Neil
If it is a Pop 1 through BGS I would think more along the lines of 300 to 500. Run an auction, see what happens. Put under both Football and Baseball, 10 day auction, list it tomorrow night so it ends two Sunday's from now. Put it on the BST forum, post it over at Tradingcardcetral.com.
Who knows you might get a great offer. There are those die hard BGS collectors... Me personally I own only a few handfuls of BGS cards. O went to them when I first started grading. Then I realized...
JMO. Good Luck either way!!
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The market knows BGS is done.
Sell it like a PSA 9 becuase that is all you will get in an auction.
If you don't want to use an auction set your buy it now and go to a vacation and hope someone buys it.
<< <i>Out of curiosity, what kind of service does someone get for that $50.00 shipping charge? >>
A reach around of course.
Highest SGC is a pop 1 96.
VCP in a PSA 9 is $122, and a BGS 9 is $180. SGC has nothing in VCP in that area.
Does this make your reply a pop 2 now? :-)
<< <i>I don't know the pop for a PSA 10 on that, but I think it would be funny if someone bought it, got it into a PSA 10 holder and sold it for much more to registry collectors.
PS this reply is a 1/1
<< <i>Max on this card is $300.
The market knows BGS is done.
Sell it like a PSA 9 becuase that is all you will get in an auction.
If you don't want to use an auction set your buy it now and go to a vacation and hope someone buys it. >>
The market knows BGS is done? Really? Care to elaborate on that?
With their failing magaizne, brutal internet site, and weak grading the game is close to being over.
In a few years you will be glad you got your cards out of their holders.
PSA-340,672
BGS-45,160
So that's almost 8 times the amount of product compared to BGS.
There is no comparison. I get a lot of modern graded and always use PSA. A newer trend has started the last few years. I will agree most cards that are modern will still bring more in a BGS holder than PSA, but that keeps decreasing. The margin is getting smaller and smaller. I like my modern cards in PSA holders even if I am leaving some $ on the table for now...
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<< <i>BGS has become an extremely small player in the market.
With their failing magaizne, brutal internet site, and weak grading the game is close to being over.
In a few years you will be glad you got your cards out of their holders. >>
Not Even Close... They still have a huge market share modern cards market when it comes to grading. In some cases they are tougher then PSA, and in some cases they are easier( IE grading sheet cut cards) but they still have a huge following. As for their magazine, their overall subscription per title is down, but they have increased their titles to almost 10 different magazines under the becket name. If they can ever get their database program off the ground that will provide them with a stream of income that could be greater than all of the magazines combined.
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Wishfull thinking.
When I was younger we did not have the internet of course. The fact that any collector can get EBAY recent sales makes markets move so much faster.
It is tough to rip your neighbor off becuase you know a card was moving and they had it in their collection and you bought it before the next Beckett came out.
Those days are over.
At this point PSA has 85% market share. The game is over.
Get your cards out of Beckett holders in the next two years is my advice. You can take it or leave it.
<< <i>The PSA bias is misguided as the discrepancy in selling population between grading companies exists solely due to the set registry (i.e. cards that overpopulate the eBay museum). Beckett appears to have the modern market cornered for the time being and I don't see that changing any time soon. Even "if" (and that's a big "if") Beckett disappears, you would be silly to remove your cards from their holders if you are satisfied with the grade for your card. Effective tamper-proof holders, no worries about card movement causing damage and UV protection to boot. If you're a serious card collector who buys the "card and not the holder" you'd be silly to cross to PSA/SGC anytime soon concerning some misguided worries about Beckett's demise. Considering the US market these days, I'd be more worried about the standing of a publicly traded company with a shareholder driven profit motive than I would a private company. Market share is not necessarily indicative of profitability and/or longevity. >>
Very well put. PSA does have some additional pressures that Beckett does not. And this may be a reason why you don't seem to get a lot of change with holders or subgrades or whatever you think would enhance PSA's grading. I only use Beckett and PSA, personally. I like the way PSA grades the OPC cards and I try to collect those when I see a centered one. Beckett holders are the best, the auto grade, card grade and subgrades for the 1981 and up is miles ahead of PSA currently. Buyers love centered cards, so when I list a Beckett card with 9.5 or 10 centering, I get a premium.
Basically, if you have a modern auto card where the auto is faint or goes off the sticker or is not completely visable, you would have PSA grade it. If the auto looks like a 10, you send it to BEckett, period. A 10 auto will bring more than a PSA graded card with the same card grade.
And remember the Beckett name has been around the hobby for more than 30 years.
<< <i>The PSA bias is misguided as the discrepancy in selling population between grading companies exists solely due to the set registry (i.e. cards that overpopulate the eBay museum). Beckett appears to have the modern market cornered for the time being and I don't see that changing any time soon. Even "if" (and that's a big "if") Beckett disappears, you would be silly to remove your cards from their holders if you are satisfied with the grade for your card. Effective tamper-proof holders, no worries about card movement causing damage and UV protection to boot. If you're a serious card collector who buys the "card and not the holder" you'd be silly to cross to PSA/SGC anytime soon concerning some misguided worries about Beckett's demise. Considering the US market these days, I'd be more worried about the standing of a publicly traded company with a shareholder driven profit motive than I would a private company. Market share is not necessarily indicative of profitability and/or longevity. >>
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<< <i>The PSA bias is misguided as the discrepancy in selling population between grading companies exists solely due to the set registry (i.e. cards that overpopulate the eBay museum). Beckett appears to have the modern market cornered for the time being and I don't see that changing any time soon. Even "if" (and that's a big "if") Beckett disappears, you would be silly to remove your cards from their holders if you are satisfied with the grade for your card. Effective tamper-proof holders, no worries about card movement causing damage and UV protection to boot. If you're a serious card collector who buys the "card and not the holder" you'd be silly to cross to PSA/SGC anytime soon concerning some misguided worries about Beckett's demise. Considering the US market these days, I'd be more worried about the standing of a publicly traded company with a shareholder driven profit motive than I would a private company. Market share is not necessarily indicative of profitability and/or longevity. >>
That's the biggest factor, imo. I've never heard of anyone asking if their slab looks frosted.
<< <i>This is a very nice card but Registy collectors know that you have a ZERO chance of crossing a BGS card with 9 corners into a PSA 10.
I think there is no chance for selling this card for the opening bid in BGS grade.
The odds are this will cross to a PSA 9 so good luck with your auction.
I would run this as a $0.99 auction and let the market decide the price.
Good luck either way. >>
Sorry, that's 100% incorrect about crossing over. I've had several BGS 9s that are now in PSA 10 holders. And yes, some had subs of all 9 which obviously includes corners. You make it sound like it's impossible for a 9.5 to cross to a PSA 10, but the reality is it's easy.
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<< <i>This is a very nice card but Registy collectors know that you have a ZERO chance of crossing a BGS card with 9 corners into a PSA 10.
I think there is no chance for selling this card for the opening bid in BGS grade.
The odds are this will cross to a PSA 9 so good luck with your auction.
I would run this as a $0.99 auction and let the market decide the price.
Good luck either way. >>
Sorry, that's 100% incorrect about crossing over. I've had several BGS 9s that are now in PSA 10 holders. And yes, some had subs of all 9 which obviously includes corners. You make it sound like it's impossible for a 9.5 to cross to a PSA 10, but the reality is it's easy.
You are 100% correct. One of my best cards is a 1978 OPC PSA 10 Pete Rose POP 2, it came from a bgs 9 holder. I also had a bvg 6 1968 mays that turned into a psa 8.
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<< <i>This is a very nice card but Registy collectors know that you have a ZERO chance of crossing a BGS card with 9 corners into a PSA 10.
I think there is no chance for selling this card for the opening bid in BGS grade.
The odds are this will cross to a PSA 9 so good luck with your auction.
I would run this as a $0.99 auction and let the market decide the price.
Good luck either way. >>
Sorry, that's 100% incorrect about crossing over. I've had several BGS 9s that are now in PSA 10 holders. And yes, some had subs of all 9 which obviously includes corners. You make it sound like it's impossible for a 9.5 to cross to a PSA 10, but the reality is it's easy. >>
You are correct. One of my best cards was in a BVG 9 holder that can back a PSA 10, POP 2 Pete Rose.
<< <i>It goes both ways - I had a PSA 8 modern card come back as a bgs 9.5 (along with 5 or 6 PSA 9's return as BGS 9.5's). I have also cracked a BGS 9 and turned it into a PSA 10. As always - depends on the card - buy the card not the slab is no different when crossing. That being said - sheetcut worries keep me from trying to cross any 9.5's from 70's or 80's topps. Been burned there mutliple times. >>
What gets me is that at one point and time weren't they all sheet cut and how can one distinguish who does the cutting?
If you crack it out your odds are much better. That being said no one in their right mind would pay $1300 for that card and take the risk of cracking it out and it coming back a PSA 9.
I have had more cards not cross and even when putting a lower allowed grade.
Beckett is going to go bankrupt I believe and this is what will hurt the long term value of their graded cards in my opinion.
<< <i>I have purchased many BGS cards that have crossed over. The statement I made is the corners are not Gem Mint in the BGS holder and the odds are almost zero you can send that in the slab and get it to cross.
If you crack it out your odds are much better. That being said no one in their right mind would pay $1300 for that card and take the risk of cracking it out and it coming back a PSA 9.
I have had more cards not cross and even when putting a lower allowed grade.
Beckett is going to go bankrupt I believe and this is what will hurt the long term value of their graded cards in my opinion. >>
Crossing over while in the slab? No, I agree with you. But cracking out and resubbing? Definitely possible and is done all the time.
About Beckett--or rather BGS--here's an example for modern cards that BGS has the advantage. Anthony Rizzo just got called up to the Padres. Run a search for BGS and PSA graded cards of him and you'll find 18 BGS's and no PSA's at the time I am writing this. For completed auctions, there's 2 for PSA and 17 for BGS.
For modern cards, BGS seems to have the advantage. For slightly older low pop PSA cards, their registry is hands down the winner and will be.
<< <i>I have purchased many BGS cards that have crossed over. The statement I made is the corners are not Gem Mint in the BGS holder and the odds are almost zero you can send that in the slab and get it to cross.
If you crack it out your odds are much better. That being said no one in their right mind would pay $1300 for that card and take the risk of cracking it out and it coming back a PSA 9.
I have had more cards not cross and even when putting a lower allowed grade.
Beckett is going to go bankrupt I believe and this is what will hurt the long term value of their graded cards in my opinion. >>
Beckett is going to go bankrupt? Do you have access to financial reports or any other correlatable data to back up this bold statement? I can't imagine you would form such an opinion without the facts to back it up. Otherwise it would seem equivalent to me guaranteeing my neighbors down the street, whom I know nothing about, are going to declare bankruptcy within the next two years.
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<< <i>I think sheet cut cards will become even more popular in the next decade or two. BGS is ahead of the game. >>
And counterfeit reprints, too!!!
This is clearly a company in turmoil.
I have predicted several major public company bankruptcies and this would be no different. At some point this is a company that will fall victim to the declining value of print information.
If this happens, their slabs will imediately be less valuable. I am personally preparing for this by reducing my holdings of their cards and while this may not be immanent I do think it is will happen.
Ask yourself this one question, where else can you find their monthly publication other then a card shop or a Barnes and Noble?
<< <i>Beckett is in very rough shape. It is easy to see. They have the bulk of their revenue from print magazines which is clearly a declining business. There online presence is pathetic with perhaps the worst website ever. The card grading business has lost a huge amount of market share sense the late 1990's.
This is clearly a company in turmoil.
I have predicted several major public company bankruptcies and this would be no different. At some point this is a company that will fall victim to the declining value of print information.
If this happens, their slabs will imediately be less valuable. I am personally preparing for this by reducing my holdings of their cards and while this may not be immanent I do think it is will happen.
Ask yourself this one question, where else can you find their monthly publication other then a card shop or a Barnes and Noble? >>
How do you come up with the fact that have lost market share since the 90's?? I would bet that they have gained market share since then, especially since prospecting has become all the rage in the last few years.... I would agree that a lot less people use the printed Beckett sport issues on a daily basis but how many more now use the online price guide which is much more profitable for the company? Again, as i said earlier, if their plans finally come to fruition in the use of their database, they will be way more profitable in the future.
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Their online strategy has proven to be a disaster. The website challenges they have had over the past few years have really hurt their chances of getting a lot of people to sign up for their price guide. This is clearly a company that has lost focus and is in trouble.
Their magazine which I subscribe too is pathetic. Yes they do a fairly good job in their coverage of the modern pack market but their overall coverage is terrible. They make very few price changes in their guide and this leaves the information in many cases to be worthless.
If you have ever called them you know their customer service is terrible and the competancy of the phone reps is if they are in kindergarden.
Each day they become less relavent to the card market and with their massive over grading of many cards are clearly gaining a reputation of a company that is desperate. There are many great cards in BGS holders as certain card collectors and dealers like their presentation and the easier grading. A perfect example of a relatively modern card is a Derek Jeter. Why does his PSA 10 sell for two times or more that of it's BGS 9.5 counterpart? Becuase the market knows they are not equal cards.
I have purchased many strong cards in their holders but many that have been put in their to keep the person using their service.
PSA is clearly the 800 pound gorilla and they are fortunate to be owned buy Collectors Universe who is a strong company due to it's diverse nature and the collectable coin market where they get most of their revenue from. This has enabled PSA to continue to operate with integrity and why they are in no risk of disapearing.
This prediction will not play out in the next two weeks but the long term picture is not bright for that company and I would keep that in mind. I doubt as little as five years ago you would have though Blockbuster Video would go BK. Wayne Huizinga sold that company to public investors many years ago for 8 Billion. It went to nearly zero and is being sold in bankruptcy as we speak. The online market crushed them and Beckett does not have a good strategy and their brand loyalty is falling.
Good luck with you card.
<< <i>Beckett is in very rough shape. It is easy to see. They have the bulk of their revenue from print magazines which is clearly a declining business. There online presence is pathetic with perhaps the worst website ever. The card grading business has lost a huge amount of market share sense the late 1990's.
This is clearly a company in turmoil.
I have predicted several major public company bankruptcies and this would be no different. At some point this is a company that will fall victim to the declining value of print information.
If this happens, their slabs will imediately be less valuable. I am personally preparing for this by reducing my holdings of their cards and while this may not be immanent I do think it is will happen.
Ask yourself this one question, where else can you find their monthly publication other then a card shop or a Barnes and Noble? >>
This is all assumption with no facts to back up your statements. Can you provide evidence confirming most of Beckett's revenue comes from print media? Just because you feel a certain way it doesn't make it fact. I'm not saying your assumptions are not possible/correct but without facts to back them up they are entirely baseless. Seems irresponsible to throw out information in that manner. To wit, I strongly believe you will face severe financial hardship within the next 18 months. I have predicted other personal bankruptcies with astounding accuracy. Please PM me for a detailed list of individuals.
Even if Beckett's print media revenue ends at some point there may still be a profitable business on a smaller scale. This is impossible to determine, of course, without seeing their balance sheet. If something happened to Beckett, I don't necessarily see the slabs becoming immediately less valuable because of the lack of a set registry and their reputation for grades provided to their cards is generally very strong. Now if something happened to PSA, people who are spending big money for high-grade commons who now longer have a place to show them off, well they're going to feel a little shortchanged.
<< <i>They have a 15% share of the grading market currently. It was much higher in the early 2000 time frame when modern baseball cards were being graded by the thousand.
Their online strategy has proven to be a disaster. The website challenges they have had over the past few years have really hurt their chances of getting a lot of people to sign up for their price guide. This is clearly a company that has lost focus and is in trouble.
Their magazine which I subscribe too is pathetic. Yes they do a fairly good job in their coverage of the modern pack market but their overall coverage is terrible. They make very few price changes in their guide and this leaves the information in many cases to be worthless.
If you have ever called them you know their customer service is terrible and the competancy of the phone reps is if they are in kindergarden.
Each day they become less relavent to the card market and with their massive over grading of many cards are clearly gaining a reputation of a company that is desperate. There are many great cards in BGS holders as certain card collectors and dealers like their presentation and the easier grading. A perfect example of a relatively modern card is a Derek Jeter. Why does his PSA 10 sell for two times or more that of it's BGS 9.5 counterpart? Becuase the market knows they are not equal cards.
I have purchased many strong cards in their holders but many that have been put in their to keep the person using their service.
PSA is clearly the 800 pound gorilla and they are fortunate to be owned buy Collectors Universe who is a strong company due to it's diverse nature and the collectable coin market where they get most of their revenue from. This has enabled PSA to continue to operate with integrity and why they are in no risk of disapearing.
This prediction will not play out in the next two weeks but the long term picture is not bright for that company and I would keep that in mind. I doubt as little as five years ago you would have though Blockbuster Video would go BK. Wayne Huizinga sold that company to public investors many years ago for 8 Billion. It went to nearly zero and is being sold in bankruptcy as we speak. The online market crushed them and Beckett does not have a good strategy and their brand loyalty is falling.
Good luck with you card. >>
Obviously I'm wasting my time trying to have an informed discussion when you're using half-truths, non-truths and ad hominem arguements. There are so many things wrong with the above statements I don't know where to start and it would take too much effort to counter this considering my level of interest on this subject. It's pointless to have a discussion in this manner. Maybe someone else is interested in continuing but it's not worth the effort to me.
I said it then and I will say it now, this was the final nail in the coffin. Any ounce of belief of objectivity was thrown out the window.
<< <i>Strasburg BGS 9.5
I said it then and I will say it now, this was the final nail in the coffin. Any ounce of belief of objectivity was thrown out the window. >>
This is one of the reasons why I refuse to use beckett for grading...
PSA Grades Wagner Trimmed/Sheet Cut An "8"
<< <i>I guess the T206 PSA 8 Wagner actually being sheet cut/trimmed and PSA grading the card despite knowing this isn't an issue even though it's the most important card in the history of the hobby?
PSA Grades Wagner Trimmed/Sheet Cut An "8" >>
The fact is, as long as cards are graded by humans, there will be conflicting thoughts on many issues of a graded card. From what I can tell Beckett, seems to have an advantage on grading cards dated from at least the mid 90's until 2011. From 1981, for about decade, it is pretty even. From 1980 back, PSA has an advantage. But, I think it's good for the hobby to have at least two strong competitors, that grade the cards a little different, but have strong branding.
<< <i>But, I think it's good for the hobby to have at least two strong competitors >>
I'm glad you are discounting SGC also....
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<< <i>But, I think it's good for the hobby to have at least two strong competitors >>
I'm glad you are discounting SGC also.... >>
I don't use SGC. But, having said that, I have purchased a couple of SGC grraded cards that turned into PSA 10's. They do grade the cards well, but if you want the most bang for the buck for 1952 and up, I think you would have to use PSA (1952- at least the mid 70's) and PSA or Beckett from the mid 70's on. Maybe on the 1951 and back SGC has a stronger market, but I unfortunately cannot afford that market as of yet.
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