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Newp: 1883 Hawaiian quarter (w/grading poll)

lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,897 ✭✭✭✭✭


I do not presently have any pictures of this coin, or the means to make acceptable ones myself, so the images below were borrowed from the NGC cert page (with all the limitations that implies). I realize that asking you to grade this coin based on these overexposed and unflattering images is sort of like blindfolding you and asking you to swing at a piñata.



In hand, the coin is bright white and lustrous. I wouldn't say prooflike, but there are decent cartwheels to the luster. Not that you can see this in any of the NGC cert images, of course.



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(Update- link to NGC cert page here. But make sure you vote in the poll before you peek!)


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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,897 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As I often do when one of my GTG coins is in TPG plastic, I personally voted the "neutral" option so as to not skew the poll. After there have been 25 or so votes, I will post a link to the NGC cert page to reveal the grade.



    FWIW, I do believe the coin is correctly graded, though in my opinion it has eye appeal a couple of points above its technical grade. Yes, there is a tiny speck in the king's hairline, but that is so small that I never saw it with the coin in hand. Only after zooming in on the NGC cert images did I notice it and take a loupe to it. It's there, but so subtle as to be almost invisible to the naked eye. The lighting in the cert pictures also slightly exaggerated a few of the marks (again, those are also present, but much less visible in hand.)

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,790 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I know where that came from. image
    I'm glad to see you got it!
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,710 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The photos are overexposed so I can't make a grading call.
    All glory is fleeting.
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,897 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: 291fifth

    The photos are overexposed so I can't make a grading call.




    Yes. I know. Not exactly a fair GTG poll. (Note "piñata" comment in the OP.)



    I sure wish NGC would bring their photography up to TrueView standards, and that both services had a default cert image of that quality, like Secure Plus apparently does, now that I hear it comes with a free TrueView. It would make certified coin shopping online so much nicer; to be able to see something listed online and know there was a place you could go to get a quality image of it before you decided to buy.



    But I acquired this one in person, which is something I seldom have the opportunity to do much anymore, as I haven't attended shows for several years and don't have a local coin dealer.

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  • If you do not image your coins who does?
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,333 ✭✭✭✭✭
    if anything it sure looks nice
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice Hawaiian coin... will be interested in what the assigned grade is. I have been at antique

    shows (several) where several individuals (separately) were walking around asking if anyone had

    Hawaiian coins.... thought it was strange... Cheers, RickO
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,897 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Christos

    If you do not image your coins who does?




    Phil Arnold and TrueView, usually. image



    If not that, then I usually recycle the previous owner's images or hire one of the photo wizards around here to do it. I lack the skill and equipment, though perhaps one day I'll surmount those barriers. I'm occasionally adequate at coin imaging, but usually not up to my own collection standards.



    In this case, I'd say this coin is destined for PCGS/TrueView service if I keep it.

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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,432 ✭✭✭
    ms64 from image supplied



    sweet example from what i can tell
    everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see


  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,897 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: lasvegasteddy

    ms64 from image supplied



    sweet example from what i can tell




    Thanks, Teddy. I do think it has MS64 eye appeal in hand. That is not the technical grade, however.



    Here is the NGC cert page for those who wish to see the results.








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  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I enjoy your posts, lord, and your coins, and I even guessed the grade right (NGC 62), but this coin is not really for me. I suspect that PCGS would either bb it or give it a 58. It may be the photo but it is too white for my tastes and looks over-dipped. This is a piece that comes nice and reasonably priced and I have owned this piece in grades ranging from 58-65. I would prefer a more naturally toned piece. I hope it's the over-exposure. Dont' shoot the messenger!

    Tom

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,691 ✭✭✭✭✭
    nice coin, the picture almost makes it look like someone left their initals in obverse left field. Would have to see in hand but potentially graffiti - possibly NGC net graded it down.
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,897 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: TPRC

    I enjoy your posts, lord, and your coins, and I even guessed the grade right (NGC 62), but this coin is not really for me. I suspect that PCGS would either bb it or give it a 58. It may be the photo but it is too white for my tastes and looks over-dipped. This is a piece that comes nice and reasonably priced and I have owned this piece in grades ranging from 58-65. I would prefer a more naturally toned piece. I hope it's the over-exposure. Dont' shoot the messenger!


    TPRC- not at all- and thanks for the honest input. I got this coin in a trade, actually, and while I do like much about it, and think it has eye appeal one or two points above the technical grade, I'm not entirely sure of its crossover chances and therefore may sell it. It would have to cross for me to keep it because I would want the TrueViews and PCGS plastic. (Not that there's anything wrong with NGC plastic to my mind, except for those ghastly white prongs in the way if I tried to get it reimaged- which it would have to be, for my set.)



    Davewesen- the marks are there and no doubt what limited the grade, but are slightly exaggerated by the lighting in these images. They are certainly random and not graffiti of any kind.




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  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,763 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like the Hawaiian coins, even if they do commemorate a sad time in the island's history. I like some of the AUs out there at nice prices with believable toning at minimal price. Occasionally even a nice dollar ("dala") shows up in an attractive EF/AU at reasonable prices.



    OK, but maybe wait for another?
    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.

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