What grade and does this look like a DDR 1913 Buffalo?

jtlee321 · September 14, 2015 9:12AM

Hey everyone,

I attended a coin show this Sunday and this 1913-D Type I Buffalo was one of my pickups. I loved the color and what seems like a nice strike. But what really caught my eye is the doubling of the motto on the reverse. I have a high magnification loupe and it sure looks like I see notching. I can't find this variety anywhere and think it might possibly be a new discovery. I would love to get all of your opinions on this, especially you buffalo hunters out there.

Manorcourtman · September 14, 2015 10:28AM

I'm seeing shelf like doubling in more places than you have pointed out also. Look directlty left of EPU on the Buffalo back. Looks like common mechanical doubling to me.

koynekwest · September 14, 2015 1:15PM

Nothing for this date and Mint reported. Here is an excellent ILLUSTRATED site:http://varietyvista.com/index.htm

Type2 · September 14, 2015 1:29PM

Ah no. AU 58

lasvegasteddy · September 14, 2015 2:25PM

i'd be au55 if it grades
the surface just isn't an easy one to say it would grade no problems over

jtlee321 · September 14, 2015 2:52PM

The surface looks so flat, because the lighting method is axial. I shot it that way in order to see the toning and every detail of the nickel. The luster is certainly no MS-66, but it is there. I figured MS-63 to MS-64.

lasvegasteddy · September 14, 2015 2:57PM

looks like corrosion that was conserved somehow to me
just being honest here and not bashing you or the coin

koynekwest · September 14, 2015 3:43PM

A few of the minor Class IV d dies have doubling in exactly the same areas you cite. Might be worth sending to James Wiles for a look. Contact him at the website I provided.

jtlee321 · September 14, 2015 5:39PM

Lasvegasteddy, no offense taken here. This is after all my first Buffalo I've bought that was not heavily circulated. I bought it mostly for the doubling that I see. I know the difference between hub doubling and machine doubling. What I can see on the coin verses what my camera can show are quite different. I wish I had a much better macro, something that could go above a 1:1 magnification. With a loupe, I can see notching at the top of the L in Pluribus. That and the fact that the doubling is at the deepest part of the relief and not at the highest points and that it is very similar to several of the other known doubled reverses, makes me think it is hub doubling. I am no expert, far from it. That is why I will be sending it in to one for their opinion.

Koynekwest, I agree with you about it's similarities. I was considering James Wiles or Bill Fivaz. I sent Bill photos of my 1919 DDO Merc to confirm it's the same as the discovered piece, and James Wiles inspected and photographed it for the CONECA files. My coin is the examples shown for the Stage B photos. Well... It used to be mine anyway.

I had a choice between this Denver example and a really nice Philadelphia example. I didn't have the cash for both so I bought this one because of it's interest factor. I will be buying the other one pretty soon. I will also let you know what either Bill or James has to say about it.

What grade and does this look like a DDR 1913 Buffalo?

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