Show me your PCGS version 1 rattlers...

Proofmorgan · August 11, 2015 5:40AM

Does anyone have a version 1 rattler with the non-green labels and the dark type? I am not talking the usual version 2 rattlers with green insert and faded type. Show us!

oih82w8 · August 11, 2015 6:18AM

Image removed due to incompatibility of the OP request for Version 1 holders...not 2.

Proofmorgan · August 11, 2015 6:32AM

That's what I'm looking for. Anyone else?

BustHalfBrian · August 11, 2015 6:36AM

There's a member here who has a toned Mercury Dime proof in what is the only true "Version 1 Rattler" I've ever seen.

stealer · August 11, 2015 6:58AM

These are true version 1 rattlers. Arguably the Morgan is a version "1.1". The San Diego rattler is neither the 1 nor the 1.1.

keyman64 · August 11, 2015 7:01AM

Never mind, I only have one like the San Diego posted.

Proofmorgan · August 11, 2015 7:06AM

My bad. Stealer is correct. The San Diego is a version 2. The version 1 has no color or lines to the insert and the type is more defined. In stealer's photos the angle of the "/" differentiates between version 1.0 and 1.1.

valente151 · August 11, 2015 7:35AM

I've got 4 now, I'll put this as a placeholder until I can load photos. I have a walker, a morgan, a proof merc and a commem. Actively searching, though the premiums on these are getting quite crazy, even in auctions where there is no mention besides a regular holder. Ive know of maybe a dozen or so more in addition to mine and Stealers. These are rarer than regencies from what I've seen, and may even give ngc blacks a run for their money.

valente151 · August 11, 2015 7:39AM

Regarding 1 and 1.1, I think that it just comes down to having two dot printers going at the same time, I'm not convinced that they were intentional differences. You will find that all 1080XXX share the same type print and 1081xxx and 1082xxx share the same. I am not aware of any white labels with 1083xxx or higher. In addition to the difference in type, label (white and no creases), these all have a clearer plastic than the later rattlers, most notable when you compare side by side.

stealer · August 11, 2015 7:43AM

<< Regarding 1 and 1.1, I think that it just comes down to having two dot printers going at the same time, I'm not convinced that they were intentional differences. You will find that all 1080XXX share the same type print and 1081xxx and 1082xxx share the same. I am not aware of any white labels with 1083xxx or higher. In addition to the difference in type, label (white and no creases), these all have a clearer plastic than the later rattlers, most notable when you compare side by side. >>

They also crack more easily. Upgrading mine was a breeze.

Lakesammman · August 11, 2015 11:45AM

They also crack more easily. Upgrading mine was a breeze.

NNNNNooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

oreville · August 11, 2015 12:31PM

<< TextThey also crack more easily. Upgrading mine was a breeze. >>

OMG!!!!!!!!!

vplite99 · August 11, 2015 1:48PM

<< They also crack more easily. Upgrading mine was a breeze. >>

Oh the Humanity!

asheland · August 12, 2015 1:20AM

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Oh the Humanity! >>

Timbuk3 · August 12, 2015 6:04AM

:-(

Walkerfan · August 12, 2015 9:12AM

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Oh the Humanity! >>

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stealer · August 12, 2015 9:40AM

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What can I say, the plastic and paper gods were calling them home...they're in a better place now.

valente151 · August 18, 2015 7:08AM

Snapped a photo of the four whities today. The walked was kicked back by CAC for PVC.

DIMEMAN · August 18, 2015 8:00AM

I'm doing my best to rid the planet of these horrible holders. Probably have done close to a 100 or so.

2ltdjorn · March 21, 2016 8:13AM

finally got one.

bought from stealer.

paid too much.

but hadn't been able to find one in the wild

Twobitcollector · March 21, 2016 11:25AM

DollarAfterDollar · March 21, 2016 11:52AM

So I take it the version 2 was the perforated edge and the shamrock shake green?

DIMEMAN · March 21, 2016 12:00PM

Crack....Crack.....Crack!!!! Just got rid of another one last week.

IrishMikey · March 23, 2016 4:33AM

Originally posted by: DIMEMAN
Crack....Crack.....Crack!!!! Just got rid of another one last week.

Dimeman, you seem to be instigating...

IrishMikey · March 23, 2016 4:34AM

Who else thinks that the 1884-O is closer to MS-64 than MS-62?

commoncents05 · March 24, 2016 11:05AM

What do the white rattlers go for these days?

-Paul

Swampboy · March 24, 2016 12:37PM

Which version would this be

Mesquite · March 25, 2016 3:19AM

I think this is V1.

2ltdjorn · March 25, 2016 8:05AM

Originally posted by: Swampboy
Which version would this be

Not the white label

2ltdjorn · March 25, 2016 8:05AM

Originally posted by: Mesquite
I think this is V1.

Nope

bob48 · March 25, 2016 8:23AM

These are rare indeed to find. I have been collecting rattlers now for 10 years and I still don't have one. But people have just started in the last years or so looking for them and posting info about them.

I know what to look for now but I have not found one.

Here is my set that has 272 rattlers in it and on the registry set in the collector showcases other category.

I found rattlers with labeling error, reverse label is in upside down and other items.

But not a single version 1 rattler.

RJP Rattler Set

jtlee321 · March 25, 2016 10:34AM

I'm curious as to what version this one would be?

bob48 · August 4, 2016 1:23PM

The 1926-S Oregon is a type (Version) 2

It has a green label.

Lakesammman · August 4, 2016 2:55PM

I have maybe 12 or so, sold 2 recently, still avidly looking for them!

Neat story behind them - wrong stationary delivered to PCGS by the printer - PCGS was ready to go so they used the labels until the correct paper arrived.

asheland · August 5, 2016 4:01AM

Originally posted by: stealer
These are true version 1 rattlers. Arguably the Morgan is a version "1.1". The San Diego rattler is neither the 1 nor the 1.1.

I LOVE that Trime!

78saen · August 5, 2016 4:29AM

This one was graded right after valente151's 1936-S Oregon that was posted in this thread

TommyType · August 5, 2016 6:11AM

Originally posted by: DIMEMAN

Crack....Crack.....Crack!!!! Just got rid of another one last week.

I'll be helping you out soon...

(confession time)

Long ago, I picked up an MS-64 walker, (common late date), in a rattler...(which I believe to NOT be a type 1).

But it had some sticker glue on it. In my youthful exuberance, I liberally dabbed some acetone on it to clean it off.

Turns out, acetone eats into the plastic, (as most of you more, shall we say, intelligent folks probably already know).

The dang thing looks like hell.

I did some polishing on the "lens" portion so the coin is visible quite well. But the textured portion of the slab is a wreck.

Time for a re-holder/re-submission.

BStrauss3 · August 5, 2016 7:11AM

All of the legit white label (v1) begin 108xxxx
Labels with higher numbers, e.g. the 8xxxxxx shown above are just faded.

golden · August 5, 2016 7:23AM

Originally posted by: IrishMikey
Who else thinks that the 1884-O is closer to MS-64 than MS-62?

MSherman · August 5, 2016 1:00PM

There is a related thread on the forum - The Evolution of the PCGS holder. On July 31 I believe, I posted a comment regarding the white label holders. I'll repeat it below with a few enhancements:

White label holders were used less than a month. It was actually unplanned, as the vendor shipped the wrong color and type of labels. They were supposed to be ribbed, light green paper, but we got white, unribbed paper, so we used those till the correct labels arrived. This was in early February, 1986.

There are two varieties of white labels. Gen 1.0 used a crude, dot matrix printer. Note the shape of the "5". That was used only a few days, and I doubt more than a handful exist today. It appears the first 900 or 1000 coins used this style. Cert numbers are roughly 1080000 through 1081000.

Gen 1.1 used the newer, improved printer. Possibly around 1400 or so of these were issued. I would imagine there may be a few hundred of those around still, but that may be a high estimate. Cert numbers of these should be in the 1081000 to 1082380 range. (These are simply estimates from those I have seen.)

Note that the light green label (Gen 1.2) used from March 1986 through Sept 1989 tends to fade with time, so the real test for a true white label is the insert stock. It should be unribbed. If you see horizontal ribbing, it's a generation 1.2 even if it has faded to white.

Shortly, we will be announcing a website that will detail all of the PCGS holder generations.

Attached are a couple photos of Gen 1.0 and Gen 1.1.

I'll be happy to answer any questions or comments.

Lakesammman · August 5, 2016 2:09PM

Mike:

How much for the Merc??

Looking forward to seeing the website/page you mentioned. Thanks for the obvious time and effort you've put into this project!

MSherman · August 6, 2016 4:09AM

You'd have to ask the owner... which ain't me.

78saen · September 14, 2016 9:36AM

ttt

valente151 · September 14, 2016 11:31AM

Originally posted by: Lakesammman
Mike:

How much for the Merc??

Looking forward to seeing the website/page you mentioned. Thanks for the obvious time and effort you've put into this project!

NFS

Lakesammman · September 14, 2016 11:40AM

Dang - I don't know how to price plastic that has a nice coin in it as well!

asheland · September 15, 2016 3:04AM

I'd love to have that one myself.

MSherman · September 16, 2016 9:47AM

I realize most of these have been seen before, but this is my current photo inventory of PCGS's Gen 1.0 holders. Any more out there?

illini420 · September 16, 2016 9:49AM

Cool!

mrkbrown87 · September 16, 2016 9:56AM

Originally posted by: DIMEMAN
I'm doing my best to rid the planet of these horrible holders. Probably have done close to a 100 or so.

You see dime man this is why we can't have nice things LOL

Lew · October 2, 2016 5:54AM

I attended a small coin show in Collinsville, IL today.
I got a PCGS white rattler -- an MS62 1900-P Morgan -- number 07264.62/1081408. From the discussion above I concluded it is a version 1.1.

blu62vette · October 2, 2016 6:05AM

Originally posted by: Lew
I attended a small coin show in Collinsville, IL today.
I got a PCGS white rattler -- an MS62 1900-P Morgan -- number 07264.62/1081408. From the discussion above I concluded it is a version 1.1.

Nicely done!!

Show me your PCGS version 1 rattlers...

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