1966 PSA 8 #591-Why so Expensive?

markj111 · January 12, 2012 7:37AM

The VCP average is $315. VCP has recorded about 25 sales over the past three years. It is the 175th (by my quick count) most difficult card. What is driving the price? It is a rookie card of Grant Jackson (nice career, but not close to the HOF), and Bart Shirley.

ThoseBackPages · January 12, 2012 7:44AM

same reason that damn '66 Choo Choo Coleman is so much! supply and demand

Probstein123 · January 12, 2012 7:49AM

the 8 is so expensive because is the 9 is impossible...
only 1 has sold in the last 6 years....( sold be me )

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ShootyBabitt · January 12, 2012 9:34AM

That card in any condition goes for a premium. I paid $50 for a VG raw card just so I could complete my set.

SDSportsFan · January 12, 2012 9:44AM

<< That card in any condition goes for a premium. I paid $50 for a VG raw card just so I could complete my set. >>

+1

I did the same thing about 4 years ago. It was the last card I needed to complete my 1958 - 1980 Dodgers team set run.

I saw maybe 5 of them over a several year span, and the one I bought was the only one that had decent centering.

Steve

WinPitcher · January 12, 2012 9:46AM

I think it might also be a single print.

yeah I ponied up for mine too.

gemint · January 12, 2012 9:47AM

It's a tough 1966 high number. I'm sure there are lower pop cards from other sets in that era that sell for much less. I think it sells for more than those lower pop cards because it is a well recognized high number that is hard to find raw or graded. Others can sneak below the radar and go for a relative bargain.

theczar · January 12, 2012 10:13AM

Piggs · January 12, 2012 1:21PM

I love the forum when a seemingly common card is brought up that is hard to find in decent condition. Makes me run for my cards to take a look. I remember buying most of the '66 highs back in the late 80's and they cost much more than the others. I think I payed $10 to $15 a card for Hi's back then, sorry. The Mantilla and Mets Rookie Stars are in the best condition of this group. The Choo Choo however wouldn't make a 8 IMO and the N. League Rookie Stars might be OC.

ThoseBackPages · January 12, 2012 1:45PM

<< I love the forum when a seemingly common card is brought up that is hard to find in decent condition. Makes me run for my cards to take a look. I remember buying most of the '66 highs back in the late 80's and they cost much more than the others. I think I payed $10 to $15 a card for Hi's back then, sorry. The Mantilla and Mets Rookie Stars are in the best condition of this group. The Choo Choo however wouldn't make a 8 IMO and the N. League Rookie Stars might be OC.

>>

VERY nice cards sir! The Klimchock is another Mets toughie!

gemint · January 12, 2012 2:54PM

Those cards need slabbed pronto!

WinPitcher · January 12, 2012 3:01PM

Wow, that Willie Davis is sweet.

Nice run of cards.

celesterussell · January 13, 2012 3:49AM

what are you waiting for, those need to be sent in asap..

Whats even more "amazing" is the difference in price between an 8.5 and 9 for the 66 highs.

I know we have talked about this, but the Snyder and Tebbits (sic) are impossible in 9 as well.

The semi highs and highs are what make this set special (IMO). Try finding a Bob Friend in PSA 9....

MacrosB · January 13, 2012 7:23AM

Do the other series in 66 also have short prints? Since the series are the same size I would think they would have the same type of breakdown on the sheet.

Jim

WinPitcher · January 13, 2012 7:41AM

Hi Jim

Only the last series have the Sp's and IIRC there are 44 of them.

Also, the Cardinals rookies card #544 is very tough to find as well.

Steve

bking · January 13, 2012 7:41AM

<< Do the other series in 66 also have short prints? Since the series are the same size I would think they would have the same type of breakdown on the sheet.

Jim >>

Yes, but couple that the the fact the Topps traditionally produced fewer cards in the later series' due to waning late-season interest, and you get a double-whammy on availablility for vintage years.

WinPitcher · January 13, 2012 7:51AM

King are you sure? I've always thought that the SP's are only in the last series.

Also, and I could be wrong, (someone like Moran would know for sure) the last series
does not have the same amount of cards as the other ones. IIRC the first 6 series have 88 cards
per series and the 7th has 70, 44 of which are SP's.

bking · January 13, 2012 7:54AM

<< King are you sure? I've always thought that the SP's are only in the last series.

Also, and I could be wrong, (someone like Moran would know for sure) the last series
does not have the same amount of cards as the other ones. IIRC the first 6 series have 88 cards
per series and the 7th has 70, 44 of which are SP's. >>

Not sure for 66, but I thought most sets at that time had more than one series with SPs due to the sheet size; I was just adding that the last series was traditionally printed at a much smaller rate than earlier series.

Dboneesq · January 13, 2012 7:58AM

<< 544 the cards rookie is another tough one. >>

VCP in an "8" is over $300.00

Only one to sell in the past year in a "9" sold 11 months ago for $1,200.00

Dboneesq · January 13, 2012 8:04AM

<< Also, and I could be wrong, (someone like Moran would know for sure) the last series
does not have the same amount of cards as the other ones. IIRC the first 6 series have 88 cards
per series and the 7th has 70, 44 of which are SP's. >>

1st Series ... 1 - 88
2nd Series ... 89-176
3rd Series ... 177-264
4th Series ... 265-352
5th Series ... 353-429
6th Series ... 430-506
7th Series ... 507-598

Looks like the Last Series has the MOST cards.

Edited to add: Looks like all the SPs are in the last series and it seems like there are 39 of them.

WinPitcher · January 13, 2012 8:06AM

Doug

The cards overlap, I think the last series actually starts at 522 or something like that.

Edited to add: I mean what is on the actual sheet. Moran would know for sure.

I saw that too when I was looking at my set earlier.

Steve

Dboneesq · January 13, 2012 8:09AM

<< Doug
The cards overlap, I think the last series actually starts at 522 or something like that.
Edited to add: I mean what is on the actual sheet. Moran would know for sure.
I saw that too when I was looking at my set earlier.
Steve >>

AH, OK Steve. I was just going off the checklists.

WinPitcher · January 13, 2012 8:15AM

Doug

For these earlier topps sets, previous series cards were placed on the next series
CL. I have a PM in with David Hornich about this, he is an expert on this chit. That way
we can know for sure. About 6 or 7 years ago there was a thread regarding this very topic.

Some earlier sets, notably 53 Topps have SP sprinkled throughout.

1957 tuffies are the 4th series cards simply because they were not on the shelves that long.

WinPitcher · January 13, 2012 8:23AM

While we are talking about 66 Topps below are the 3 different variations
of card 43. From left C, B, A versions.

Dboneesq · January 13, 2012 8:24AM

<< Doug
For these earlier topps sets, previous series cards were placed on the next series
CL. >>

Yes Steve, I am aware of that.

MacrosB · January 13, 2012 9:10AM

Is this a color variation?

Jim

<< While we are talking about 66 Topps below are the 3 different variations
of card 43. From left C, B, A versions.

>>

MacrosB · January 13, 2012 9:13AM

Not to try and get off the thread subject, but are there any similar high priced high number commons in 64 or 65? I know their high numbers were much more common and they do not have the SPs but I bought a large lot of high number commons many a year ago and was wondering if there were any to look for specifically. Thanks for the hlep and enjoy picking up all this new information.

Jim

WinPitcher · January 13, 2012 9:14AM

Notice the buttons on the trousers.

A is the original version, B Topps attempted to clean it up, C cleaned up.

I have them in the wrong order.

Dboneesq · January 13, 2012 10:13AM

<< Not to try and get off the thread subject, but are there any similar high priced high number commons in 64 or 65? Jim >>

Jim ... looks like the following cards from the '64 set go for $300.00+ in "PSA 9".
528 - As Rookies
538 Minoso
540 Aparicio
543 Ueker
579 Red Sox Team
581 Yankees Rookies

EDITED to add the same for the '65 set:
550 Stottlemyre
555 Baldshun
568 Taylor
573
Red Sox Rookies
598 Downing

WinPitcher · January 13, 2012 10:51AM

1965 topps do have some SP's Brock if I recall was one Claude Osteen another.

With that said even they are abundant, or at least when I was building my 65 Topps set in 8 they were.

I found the (I think) 4th series cards to be tuff. (It may have been 3rd)

Also, and I'm not sure what the difference is but SP can mean short printed or single printed.

here is an interesting article by OBC's George Vrecheck

http://www.oldbaseball.com/refs/5253printing.html Text

1966 PSA 8 #591-Why so Expensive?

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