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2 Taler Emperor Ferdinand - Grading assistance

ZoharZohar Posts: 6,720 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I need the forum's grading experts to assess what this should grade at. Scarce 2 Taler piece.

Please apply a conservative approach. I tried to capture the detail and coloring of this piece. Very thick metal a bit of edge clip at 6 O'clock common for these.

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    AndresAndres Posts: 977 ✭✭✭
    My guess is a 67 grade ,
    we call these double weight coins a Piedfort, is that a familiar term in the states ?
    id there a die crack in the X of DUX ?
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    ZoharZohar Posts: 6,720 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Andres this is a coin from 1564... if this were anything close to 67 I would retire image

    This is currency of the time double the weight of a standard taler.
    Habsburg Talers

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    JCMhoustonJCMhouston Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭
    Some wear in the laurel leaves and high points (sword pommel and elbow point), but almost all the detail left in the beard and hair on the obverse, and very little wear apparant on the eagle breast. I'll guess AU 55, maybe 58 if the luster is really nice.
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    ajaanajaan Posts: 17,977 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think I'm seeing a touch of wear on the collar. AU58 IMO.

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    ormandhormandh Posts: 3,111 ✭✭✭
    I see some hairlining in the field on the obverse. I would venture to guess AU, but definitely an xf. It seems to be a really nice piece! -Dan
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    coinpicturescoinpictures Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭
    58-63 depending on how much is actual wear versus lighting anomalies.
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    marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,922 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great picture - nice pc - has signs of an old rub but I'd venture AU58 and I can easily see it in a MS61 holder too. jmho
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    ZoharZohar Posts: 6,720 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So... the sad part was that NGC graded this AU-Details Tooled.

    I called in and argued to speak to grader which they did not allow. I looked under a loop closely myself and see no evidence whatsoever of tooling.

    I have decided to keep the piece given the scarcity and appeal it has in my opinion. Question is should I resubmit arguing my case.
    Habsburg Talers

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    coinpicturescoinpictures Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭
    They should be able to tell you which details they believe to be tooled...
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    ZoharZohar Posts: 6,720 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There is one coming up on CNG's auction - CNG

    I may bring it over to their NYC table and get their Numismatist's opinion
    Habsburg Talers

    TalerUniverse.com is a curated numismatic project dedicated to the silver talers, crowns, and medals of the Habsburg Empire and the Holy Roman Empire, spanning the 16th–18th centuries. The collection emphasizes historically significant issues, rare mint varieties, and high-grade NGC/PCGS examples, presented with detailed historical context, scholarly references, and high-resolution photography. TalerUniverse aims to serve both as a private collection showcase and a growing reference resource for collectors, researchers, and students of early-modern European coinage.
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