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ormandh · May 3, 2011 8:53AM

HOW DO I DO IT!!!!

I am considering sending in some submissions to NGC, but I was wondering if I should submit to PCGS. I do realize that I am on the CU forums, but I was hoping to get some insight from you pros. Thanks. -Dan

Zoins · May 3, 2011 9:11AM

Do you want to participate in the PCGS registry, NGC registry or both?

The PCGS registry accepts only PCGS coins while the NGC registry accepts both PCGS and NGC coins.

canadacolornut · May 3, 2011 9:13AM

PCGS is the way to go. Value of the coins is at least one point better than NGC and NGC accepts PCGS coins while
PCGS doesn't accept NGC.

Hands down....

Zoins · May 3, 2011 10:05AM

I wouldn't say there's a hands down choice since the two services have different guarantees.

* NGC does not guarantee copper, bronze or copper-nickel coins.
* PCGS limits their guarantee to $1,000 for Chinese coins and $10,000 for world coins.

So...

* If you collect non-Chinese world coins < $10,000 or Chinese coins < $1,000, PCGS seems to have a better guarantee.

* If you collect non-copper Chinese coins > $1,000 or any other world coins > $10,000, NGC seems to have a better guarantee.

ormandh · May 3, 2011 10:06AM

What about the countries? I have various coins from different countries that will grade at 64 or better, but I would prefer to focus on one country. I also was interested in an aluminum collection. I have many, many aluminum pieces that are rarer that I WOULD be willing to spend money on grading, but not if I could not utilize the cost of having them slabbed.

What do you say?!!

-Dan

ormandh · May 3, 2011 10:09AM

<< I wouldn't say there's a hand's down choice since the two services have different guarantees.

* NGC does not guarantee copper, bronze or copper-nickel coins.
* PCGS limits their guarantee to $1,000 for Chinese coins and $10,000 for world coins.

So...

* If you collect non-Chinese world coins < $10,000 or Chinese coins < $1,000, PCGS seems to have a better guarantee.

* If you collect non-copper Chinese coins > $1,000 or any other world coins > $10,000, NGC seems to have a better guarantee. >>

The coins which I would have graded are from European countries; not so many of them being from the Asian persuasion. -Dan

ormandh · May 3, 2011 10:11AM

Is it the case that as I start submitting lots of aluminum coins that I could get a designated aluminum collection? This is actually where my heart is. -Dan

Zoins · May 3, 2011 10:12AM

<< 

<< I wouldn't say there's a hand's down choice since the two services have different guarantees.

* NGC does not guarantee copper, bronze or copper-nickel coins.
* PCGS limits their guarantee to $1,000 for Chinese coins and $10,000 for world coins.

So...

* If you collect non-Chinese world coins < $10,000 or Chinese coins < $1,000, PCGS seems to have a better guarantee.

* If you collect non-copper Chinese coins > $1,000 or any other world coins > $10,000, NGC seems to have a better guarantee. >>

The coins which I would have graded are from European countries; not so many of them being from the Asian persuasion. -Dan >>

Your European coins should be ok with PCGS as long as they are valued less than US $10,000.

If your coins are worth more, NGC might be worth looking into.

ormandh · May 3, 2011 10:20AM

Nothing I have is worth lots of money. However, I do have some rarer coins in Unc. that would be desirable encapsulated, I would presume. -Dan

Zoins · May 3, 2011 10:34AM

<< Is it the case that as I start submitting lots of aluminum coins that I could get a designated aluminum collection? This is actually where my heart is. -Dan >>

It might be worth looking into whether PCGS or NGC, or both, will be willing to create an aluminum collection for you.

JCMhouston · May 3, 2011 10:35AM

Personally I use the NGC registry, because I buy the coin, not the slab, and I'm not spending more money just to get it into a different slab. A large majority of slabbed coins are in NGC slabs, they have been doing it a lot longer. Both can do a decent job grading so that should not be a big deal.

Personally I do like the NGC slab better (please don't bam me), I think the color cast of the plastic in the PCGS slab is a big distraction, even more than the prongs in the new NGC slabs.

The copper guarantee is a non-issue - from the PCGS guarantee page:

IMPORTANT: Because the color and surfaces of copper coins can change due to environmental factors, PCGS does not guarantee the color of copper coins, or the absence of copper spotting, for any PCGS graded copper coin graded or sold after January 1, 2010.

ormandh · May 3, 2011 10:41AM

Thanks for your inputs! I have an account with both companies, so maybe I will submit the more common to PCGS and maybe the lesser to NGC?

Zoins · May 3, 2011 10:46AM

<< Personally I use the NGC registry, because I buy the coin, not the slab, and I'm not spending more money just to get it into a different slab. A large majority of slabbed coins are in NGC slabs, they have been doing it a lot longer. Both can do a decent job grading so that should not be a big deal.

Personally I do like the NGC slab better (please don't bam me), I think the color cast of the plastic in the PCGS slab is a big distraction, even more than the prongs in the new NGC slabs.

The copper guarantee is a non-issue - from the PCGS guarantee page:

IMPORTANT: Because the color and surfaces of copper coins can change due to environmental factors, PCGS does not guarantee the color of copper coins, or the absence of copper spotting, for any PCGS graded copper coin graded or sold after January 1, 2010. >>

Thanks for that on the PCGS guarantee.

Unfortunately, the prongs are a major disappointment for me on the NGC slabs. I wish they allowed customers to choose non-prong holders.

ormandh · May 3, 2011 10:54AM

<< 

<< Personally I use the NGC registry, because I buy the coin, not the slab, and I'm not spending more money just to get it into a different slab. A large majority of slabbed coins are in NGC slabs, they have been doing it a lot longer. Both can do a decent job grading so that should not be a big deal.

Personally I do like the NGC slab better (please don't bam me), I think the color cast of the plastic in the PCGS slab is a big distraction, even more than the prongs in the new NGC slabs.

The copper guarantee is a non-issue - from the PCGS guarantee page:

IMPORTANT: Because the color and surfaces of copper coins can change due to environmental factors, PCGS does not guarantee the color of copper coins, or the absence of copper spotting, for any PCGS graded copper coin graded or sold after January 1, 2010. >>

Thanks for that on the PCGS guarantee.

Unfortunately, the prongs are a major disappointment for me on the NGC slabs. I wish they allowed customers to choose non-prong holders. >>

Does this mean that there have been many issues regarding carbon spotting AFTER being slabbed, which would have PCGS make this policy?

Zoins · May 3, 2011 10:58AM

<< Does this mean that there have been many issues regarding carbon spotting AFTER being slabbed, which would have PCGS make this policy? >>

Copper is a very reactive metal which is why neither TPG offers guarantees for it. Many collectors of copper coins actually prefer their coins unslabbed.

OchoReales · May 3, 2011 11:12AM

For the +/- 200 pieces of Jerusalem Collection of Palestine Mandate coinage of 1927-1946, I ultimately chose PCGS. The set is listed under the registry for Palestine. While I still have to get a number of grading snafu's corrected and resubmit about 20 or so pieces for grade review, I am 101% confident that I chose the right service for this collection. Not only do the coins look great in their new tombs, I am confident that, at auction time, the prices for these coins will leave jaws hanging! JMHO!

http://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/alltimeset.aspx?s=87346

ormandh · May 3, 2011 11:23AM

http://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/alltimeset.aspx?s=87346 >>

Nice collection! Thanks for sharing!

TwoKopeiki · May 4, 2011 8:39AM

<< http://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/alltimeset.aspx?s=87346 >>

Nice collection! Thanks for sharing! >>

I agree, Gary's Palestine Mandate collection is quite an accomplishment.

Like JCM said, I go for the coin and not the holder it's in. Over the years I've picked up quite a few NGC pieces and in order for me to display them, I would have to cross them to PCGS.

Also, PCGS is pretty tough on coins from the War of Independance period. Many would not grade due to planchet issues or counterstamps. That's why having a War of Independance registry set @ PCGS would probably be a pretty frustrating experience. I would not send any W4I pieces to PCGS unless they were truly nice speciments. I have registry sets on both sides of the street, but more active at updating and doing write-ups on the sets I have @ NGC because I can showcase both PCGS and NGC coins there.

P.S. It's an addictive game. Hope you're prepared

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