1934 Goudeys - Legit?
thezack
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Hi there! I am thinking about buying some 1934 Goudeys from this person. He has around 90 cards, most are from 1934, and there are a few 1935 4-in ones too. The guy says he got them at an estate sale in Kalkaska, michigan, at a house that had been owned by the same family for 100 years. So, I asked for a few pics, and here's what he sent me. I was wondering if anyone could help me identify if these are authentic or not, and if so, what would be a fair offer I could give for them? I dont want to rip him off, since I don't really do business that way with people, but I do want to get a good deal. Thanks so much in advance!!
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<< <i>I think $400 would be a fair offer >>
Are you sure? The Gehrig alone are big dollar cards...
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<< <i>I think $400 would be a fair offer >>
Are you sure? The Gehrig alone are big dollar cards... >>
When they are graded, if they are authentic... etc
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<< <i>I think $400 would be a fair offer >>
Are you sure? The Gehrig alone are big dollar cards... >>
When they are graded, if they are authentic... etc >>
That's true. Have an opinion on authenticity?
<< <i>Nothing "pops out" to me as saying not authentic, the color on some of them seems to be better than others, but they all look like they were stored in the same area which is a little odd. >>
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They are 100% authentic, its easy to tell from the photos.
The R320 #37 Gehrig, #61 Gehrig, Greenberg Rookie, and Dean alone would be in the $1000+ range
Then you have the Diamond Star Hornsby, and the many other R320 HOFers...ie Frisch, Terry, Durocher, Grove, Cochrane, Vaughan, Hubbell, Foxx, etc.
Then you have a bunch of commons that are worth $10++ ea.
Also - I just gotta wonder if there are more card lots offered from "estate sales" at any one time on ebay and elsewhere, than all the estate sales which have actually ever been in the history of the world...but at least it wasn't from "my grandfather's attic". LOL
<< <i>$400 haha, that would be Pennies on the Dollar
They are 100% authentic, its easy to tell from the photos.
The R320 #37 Gehrig, #61 Gehrig, Greenberg Rookie, and Dean alone would be in the $1000+ range
Then you have the Diamond Star Hornsby, and the many other R320 HOFers...ie Frisch, Terry, Durocher, Grove, Cochrane, Vaughan, Hubbell, Foxx, etc.
Then you have a bunch of commons that are worth $10++ ea. >>
I'll defer to your knowledge on prewar cards, but I'd still caution the OP not to offer too much money on these
And the OP should not confuse what these cards are worth with what a good offer should be
If he wants a good deal like he said, then I'd say offer 60% of the lot's approximate market value
Also unless he has these in hand to inspect, I'd take the offer down a little more to account for hidden flaws like reverse paper loss and staining, and creases not visible
With the paper missing on the one gehrig it is probably just authentic at that point maybe a 1.
They sure look very real to me. I just passed on some fakes last weekend at a cardshow.
Most people won't take the time to rough up commons that sell for 10 bucks. I don't think many people mix real and fakes together because it would make the fakes stick out.
2 things that look good to me in the lot are 1. The even wear on a majority of the cards, says that they were bought and stored together. 2. The Foxx is an obvious beater bought at a later time most likely someone tried to complete a set.
Having them mixed together shows to me someone was collecting the set at different points in time or purchased from 2 seperate collections instead of roughing up a set of reprints.
<< <i>400 is a steal on that lot.
With the paper missing on the one gehrig it is probably just authentic at that point maybe a 1.
They sure look very real to me. I just passed on some fakes last weekend at a cardshow.
Most people won't take the time to rough up commons that sell for 10 bucks. I don't think many people mix real and fakes together because it would make the fakes stick out.
2 things that look good to me in the lot are 1. The even wear on a majority of the cards, says that they were bought and stored together. 2. The Foxx is an obvious beater bought at a later time most likely someone tried to complete a set.
Having them mixed together shows to me someone was collecting the set at different points in time or purchased from 2 seperate collections instead of roughing up a set of reprints. >>
<<< I don't think many people mix real and fakes together because it would make the fakes stick out. >>>
I've seen this trick tried numerous times on ebay - I guess the scammer thought process is hoping the mark will figure since the commons look genuine then the key cards are likely genuine as well.
My opinion of the lot is that the key cards are reprints, based on a variety of analytical factors in which looking at the cards isn't even necessary. But if the OP buys them, i hope I'm incorrect.
BTW: Buying cards at an estate sale, even if this seller isn't lying about that, doesn't equate the cards to definitely being genuine anyway. Reprints are offered at estate sales as well, certainly much frequently than genuine vintage key cards.
There are characteristics that are different between the 2... ie. cropping, border color compared to image color, image color, wear patterns, stock thickness, boldness and color of print on back, areas where the word "reprint" were scuffed off, etc. etc. (many more that I cant describe in words)
Not a single one of these is seen in any of these cards in the pictures. Not a single Red Flag.
The only other type of fakes are fakes made from scans of authentic cards (homemade fakes), and the clear closeup pics of both Gehrig show they obviously arent fake.
But, to keep all you "Theyre fakes until proven authentic" crowd happy
Id recommend that you get in writing from seller that the cards will pass authentication by SGC or PSA. Anyone selling something like this honestly will always give a guarantee of some kind.
You wont have to use the guarantee, but at least youll cover your A$$ if you are still unsure of authenticity.
Another thing you can do is get the 2 dozen that should be graded, graded, then sell the cards for the family and take a cut for doing so.
<< <i>Do you know how to tell a reprint R320 from an authentic R320? Its very easy with clear pictures of front and backs
There are characteristics that are different between the 2... ie. cropping, border color compared to image color, image color, wear patterns, stock thickness, boldness and color of print on back, areas where the word "reprint" were scuffed off, etc. etc. (many more that I cant describe in words)
Not a single one of these is seen in any of these cards in the pictures. Not a single Red Flag.
The only other type of fakes are fakes made from scans of authentic cards (homemade fakes), and the clear closeup pics of both Gehrig show they obviously arent fake.
But, to keep all you "Theyre fakes until proven authentic" crowd happy
Id recommend that you get in writing from seller that the cards will pass authentication by SGC or PSA. Anyone selling something like this honestly will always give a guarantee of some kind.
You wont have to use the guarantee, but at least youll cover your A$$ if you are still unsure of authenticity.
Another thing you can do is get the 2 dozen that should be graded, graded, then sell the cards for the family and take a cut for doing so. >>
My overall point, to expound a bit further, is it doesn't even matter if the cards are genuine or not. If they are genuine, the OP isn't going to "steal" them anyway off this seller. You think this seller, with that line about the "estate sale and the old house" is going to simply offer them only to this OP, and not to every other potential buyer and their brother? You think this seller is some babe in the woods? Forget about it.
If they aren't genuine, then the OP is somehow, someway gonna get ripped off...and if he pursues this, and gets the bargain of a lifetime, then my hats off to him...but quite frankly, in my opinion it ain't gonna happen.
In any event, it's either a waste of time or a waste of money. I hope I'm wrong...but it seems to me as though the seller is looking for fish to hook and reel in.