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Autos4AlexAutos4Alex Posts: 442 ✭✭✭
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Can someone help me out with average prices for 1954 Aaron rookies?

I'm looking for prices for:
PSA 4
PSA 5
PSA 6

I'm sorta leaning towards avoiding psa 6 simply because of the whole craigslist fake thing. Is there any surefire way to spot them (common psa numbers or something?)

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  • fkwfkw Posts: 1,766 ✭✭
    The CL fakes are easy to spot

    On the 1954T Aaron PSA-6/PSA-7 CL fakes... they have the same bar codes but different numbers.

    Its easy to spot the fake Aaron's by just looking at the card, not the slab. The others are not so easy, until I actually see more of them I dont know the ways to spot them now sinse its been 3 years sinse Ive seen them when they first hit CL

    CL fakes are known in...

    1909 T206 Cobb red PSA-6
    1909 T206 Cobb bat on PSA-6
    1933 R319 Ruth #53 PSA-5
    1933 R319 Gehrig #92 PSA-6
    1934 R320 Gehrig (unknown #) PSA-5
    1951B Mantle PSA-4
    1952B Mantle PSA-6
    1954T Aaron PSA-7
    1954T Aaron PSA-6
    1955T Clemente PSA-6
    1956T Mantle PSA-7

    There have been only 2 different BAR CODES seen, but there may be more. I believe the con making them has made 2 different batches, they are found in 2 different types of PSA slabs, one is close to the real slabs (if not real), the other is not that good and easily seen as a knock off slab.



  • 48leafpsa48leafpsa Posts: 116
    I recently purchased this one, is it a fake?

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  • BlacklabelsocietyBlacklabelsociety Posts: 1,033
    They're all made out of the same material.......cardboard image

    I hate to say this, but that is one ugly looking 6.
  • 48leafpsa48leafpsa Posts: 116
    i was unaware of the craig's list cards. hopefully this one is legit. here's a bigger scan

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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭


    << <i> hate to say this, but that is one ugly looking 6. >>





    BLS can we see what yours looks like?


    Good for you.
  • mrmint23mrmint23 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭
    48leaf...scan with the lid open and the lights off in the room. Need to see the outer edges of the case to see if there is any frosting.
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,145 ✭✭✭
    The colors lead me to believe it is legit, but like others said, a black background can allow you to see the edges of the case better.
  • cpettimdcpettimd Posts: 1,050 ✭✭✭
    here is mine for comparison
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    Collecting Clemente master (#6) and basic PSA registry sets, Hank Aaron master and basic sets, Mantle oddball issues, 1970's mega decade HOFs, 1967 Topps pin ups, and high grade Topps Clemente and Aaron. Numerous transactions with over 100 board members.
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,145 ✭✭✭
    nice one! NOT a fake!
  • 48leafpsa48leafpsa Posts: 116
    wow cpettimd, i'm jealous of your card and your scanner! hopefully santa will bring me one or both. what kind of scanner do you have?

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  • jeff8877jeff8877 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭
    Hi guys,

    Since we are all sharing pics...here is mine. I assume it it real.

    Jeff

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  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,145 ✭✭✭
    Yes...good looking '6'. What, no pictures of a CraigsList '7'???? LOL!
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Jeff

    Yours looks awfully nice, true Ex/Mnt card or under graded?


    Just sold mine last week.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭


    << <i>here is mine for comparison
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    indeed.....so comparable, that its serial number was used on the just completed sale of the Craigslist FAKE 7....you do know this, don't you? image
  • jeff8877jeff8877 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭
    Thanks Steve,

    I really like it...

    It looks like a 7 to me. The only flaw is on the edge bottom left where the border is pushed in a little bit. Assuming this must have downgraded it from a 7 to a 6. Still, to me it has nicer eye appeal than most 7s out there.

    Jeff
  • KeepItWarmKeepItWarm Posts: 579 ✭
    Can I ask the obvious new guy question?

    How do I spot a "Craigslist Fake"?

    If I'm asking something that has been asked 100 times already, could you please post a link to the thread that explains it?
    South of Heaven...North of Canada
  • bkingbking Posts: 3,095 ✭✭


    << <i>Can I ask the obvious new guy question?

    How do I spot a "Craigslist Fake"?

    If I'm asking something that has been asked 100 times already, could you please post a link to the thread that explains it? >>


    The recent thread on page two with the words 'Craiglist" and "aaron" in it has a lot of info.

    Link
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  • BobSBobS Posts: 1,738 ✭✭
    Well, I just had to join in.

    This is mine. Looks 100% authentic to me. Any opinions?


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  • jeff8877jeff8877 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭
    Bob...SWEET 5.5. Would be proud to own that one.

    Happy Holidays

    Jeff
  • cpettimdcpettimd Posts: 1,050 ✭✭✭
    holy S%#T !!. They stole the cert # on my card what should I do ??
    Collecting Clemente master (#6) and basic PSA registry sets, Hank Aaron master and basic sets, Mantle oddball issues, 1970's mega decade HOFs, 1967 Topps pin ups, and high grade Topps Clemente and Aaron. Numerous transactions with over 100 board members.
  • fkwfkw Posts: 1,766 ✭✭
    haha, sorry to derail this thread. good to know though...

    Here is the '54 Aaron photo again, all the cards above are authentic image

    Best place to look is the small action shot (face and fingers have no detail), also the flips have the same Bar Code, and the gap between the "Y" and "A" on flip is narrower, among many other ways to tell.

    PS the PSA-7 fake sold on eBay yesterday for $1,375, the PSA-6 was on eBay a couple months ago, Ive seen at least 8-10 of them (some may be the same cards) over last 3 years but didnt keep scans until last week.

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  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    Chris pm sent.
  • Downtown1974Downtown1974 Posts: 7,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Look at the label on the fake Aaron that used Cpetti's cert #. The label alone is a dead give away that its fake.

    edited to add....Look at the slab as well. That slab is so frosted that you ought to put a birthday candle on it.
  • fkwfkw Posts: 1,766 ✭✭


    << <i>holy S%#T !!. They stole the cert # on my card what should I do ?? >>



    I knew there had to be originals of the CL Fakes image maybe go and get it reslabbed?? PSA may cut you a break if you show them this info ??

    here it is when it sold yesterday
    FAKE 1954T Aaron PSA-7
  • bkingbking Posts: 3,095 ✭✭
    How lazy do you have to be to prepare a fake flip with an existing number and not simply install a font to print a barcode to match the cert???
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    Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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    Successful deals to date: thedudeabides,gameusedhoop,golfcollector,tigerdean,treetop,bkritz, CapeMOGuy,WeekendHacker,jeff8877,backbidder,Salinas,milbroco,bbuckner22,VitoCo1972,ddfamf,gemint,K,fatty macs,waltersobchak,dboneesq
  • 48leafpsa48leafpsa Posts: 116
    here's the auction link where i picked up my aaron psa 6, i nearly put in a bid for the psa 7 that just ended a couple days later

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;rt=nc&amp;nma=true&amp;item=190478038869&amp;si=W0zahGGFHOKWqzDFxRKVoc%2Fo1hQ%3D&amp;viewitem=&amp;sspagename=STRK:MEWNX:IT
  • ReljacReljac Posts: 758


    << <i>Well, I just had to join in.

    This is mine. Looks 100% authentic to me. Any opinions?


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    wow... that 5 looks better than a lot of higher grade ones!!!image
  • OckhamsRazorOckhamsRazor Posts: 207 ✭✭


    << <i>holy S%#T !!. They stole the cert # on my card what should I do ?? >>



    cpettimd, I printed out the image of your card and scanned it with my bar code reader. The bar code scan matches the cert # on your slab. So you should be in good shape. I did print out the image of the Aaron sold on ebay yesterday and scanned that bar code. It comes out as : 16997954 Which is a 1955 Koufax PSA 8.5. I bought my bar code scanner off ebay for the purpose of addressing this very issue.
    Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all "right-thinking" people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.

    This is known as “bad luck.”
  • OckhamsRazorOckhamsRazor Posts: 207 ✭✭


    << <i>I recently purchased this one, is it a fake?

    image >>



    Your barcode matches your cert # too.
    Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all "right-thinking" people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.

    This is known as “bad luck.”
  • fkwfkw Posts: 1,766 ✭✭
    Cool, I didnt even know they made those bare code readers for the general public image
  • detroitfan2detroitfan2 Posts: 3,366 ✭✭✭✭
    So did anyone ever get the VCP values for the OP?
  • cpettimdcpettimd Posts: 1,050 ✭✭✭
    The cert number used in this auction was from my card
    I contacted PSA customer service with the info
    they are supposed to get back to me
    the shoul re- encapsulate my card with a new cert # at their expense
    they need to preserve the integrity of the PSA product
    please see the other thread
    Collecting Clemente master (#6) and basic PSA registry sets, Hank Aaron master and basic sets, Mantle oddball issues, 1970's mega decade HOFs, 1967 Topps pin ups, and high grade Topps Clemente and Aaron. Numerous transactions with over 100 board members.
  • hankcaddyhankcaddy Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image

    heres my lower grade for comparison also
    good info here on spotting fakes
    currently collecting baseball of
    2004 spx
    1989 topps psa 10
    1959 phillies
    Phillies of the 70's
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,145 ✭✭✭


    << <i>So did anyone ever get the VCP values for the OP? >>



    Not yet...you may go ahead and do that. He wants 3's, 4's, and 5's and possibly 3.5's and 4.5's .
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    No, he wanted 4, 5 and 6.

    No mention of .5's


    ;0


    Good for you.
  • OckhamsRazorOckhamsRazor Posts: 207 ✭✭


    << <i>Can someone help me out with average prices for 1954 Aaron rookies?

    I'm looking for prices for:
    PSA 4
    PSA 5
    PSA 6

    I'm sorta leaning towards avoiding psa 6 simply because of the whole craigslist fake thing. Is there any surefire way to spot them (common psa numbers or something?) >>



    PSA 4:
    12/9/10 eBay Auction | Image ducman3 o***d 3 $400.00
    11/27/10 eBay Auction | Image murph-from-mn s***h 11 $500.79
    11/21/10 eBay Auction | Image klinger83 t***s 14 $443.88
    10/11/10 eBay Auction | Image capecodvintage 9***u 29 $492.00
    9/23/10 eBay Auction | Image chuckssportsplus t***c 18 $535.55
    9/18/10 eBay Auction | Image blueluv_22 o***d 30 $460.00
    9/5/10 eBay Auction | Image loggersdoitinthewoods1 y***y 22 $545.00

    PSA 5
    12/12/10 eBay Auction | Image fatauggie d***d 15 $610.09
    12/2/10 eBay Auction | Image cardmrchnt6ta4 j***j 16 $633.89
    11/30/10 eBay Auction | Image vintagescards l***l 25 $723.73
    11/16/10 eBay Auction | Image wastenot-wantnot2010 y***e 0 $675.00
    11/10/10 eBay Auction | Image flimflanigan t***s 20 $560.00
    10/10/10 eBay Auction | Image joshowl v***t 4 $615.55
    10/6/10 eBay Auction | Image prewarcardcollector g***d 25 $834.88

    PSA 6
    12/15/10 eBay Auction | Image hobby-haven d***d 20 $825.00
    12/4/10 eBay Auction | Image shibby.617 1***9 20 $911.51
    11/26/10 eBay Auction | Image drlads n***n 17 $865.00
    11/18/10 eBay Auction | Image game-time-collectibles g***d 19 $855.00
    10/13/10 eBay Auction | Image red-zone a***t 32 $818.02
    9/30/10 Clean Sweep Auction | Image 3 $853.05
    9/15/10 eBay Auction | Image loggersdoitinthewoods1 b***u 17 $885.99
    Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all "right-thinking" people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.

    This is known as “bad luck.”
  • Autos4AlexAutos4Alex Posts: 442 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for the vcp info and all the great info on spotting those fakes. Very insightful!
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